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Jan 14 2025 12:43pm
ooo good one


lol i think this thing is jessiwan
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Jan 14 2025 01:11pm
I paid no attention, and my sentences are fine.

I learned from books. The same books the teachers teach out of. Whether K-12 or college, nine out of ten "teachers" didn't know the material any better than I did. They taught out of a book. They could recite every word of the book by rote, but they could not apply it to anything day to day. They could not apply it to your desired profession. It was just words. That's all 90% of teachers are.

At least in college, you can find the teachers who are good with a subject, and schedule blocks with them, as high as they're qualified to teach. The problem these days is that there are so many wasted credits in a degree for "required" critical theory courses that serve no purpose. And every class is a fucking month's pay.


People like you and I who often self-teach, autodidacts, are a small minority. Most people require a teacher or a guide in order to arrive at the correct understandings within any given discipline.

I've self-taught alot of things, my prime achievement in this realm being bodybuilding, anatomy and the like. But there are also things I didn't self-teach that I required a great teacher to arrive at the correct understandings, namely chemistry. I had one professor who made everything make sense to me - after that everything was basically fluff and I could self-teach most concepts.

Teachers or guides are ubiquitous and necessary throughout human culture. Ancient cultures all had them - they were usually entwined within the clergy or religious social order, as they are within Christianity. The great Saints and missionaries that pioneered the bedrock of our civilization were all teachers.

You're not wrong though about alot of teachers simply not caring or being bad teachers, just reading out of the textbook like anyone can do without actually teaching.

This post was edited by El1te on Jan 14 2025 01:12pm
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Jan 14 2025 01:22pm
i got my couple little girls and interact with gradeschool teachers alot. they all seem to be worrying more about being politically correct then teaching kids academics to not upset parents.plus i seen a couple parents waitng for a conference get upset and mad at the teachers becuase there kid isnt having good enough grades.when its probably their fault anyways.
what im saying is the job is so full of fucking bullshit i dont see how anyone could stand it, and this is a perspective from the top 5 elementary schools in the state.i couldnt imagine the others with lower ratings


When did we, as a society, go from kids getting their asses whooped if they brought home bad grades, to parents wanting to whoop the teachers' ass if their spawn doesn't get the good grades he/she is "entitled" to?
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Jan 14 2025 01:38pm
When did we, as a society, go from kids getting their asses whooped if they brought home bad grades, to parents wanting to whoop the teachers' ass if their spawn doesn't get the good grades he/she is "entitled" to?


i need to feed my family dammit
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Jan 14 2025 02:31pm
People like you and I who often self-teach, autodidacts, are a small minority. Most people require a teacher or a guide in order to arrive at the correct understandings within any given discipline.

I've self-taught alot of things, my prime achievement in this realm being bodybuilding, anatomy and the like. But there are also things I didn't self-teach that I required a great teacher to arrive at the correct understandings, namely chemistry. I had one professor who made everything make sense to me - after that everything was basically fluff and I could self-teach most concepts.

Teachers or guides are ubiquitous and necessary throughout human culture. Ancient cultures all had them - they were usually entwined within the clergy or religious social order, as they are within Christianity. The great Saints and missionaries that pioneered the bedrock of our civilization were all teachers.

You're not wrong though about alot of teachers simply not caring or being bad teachers, just reading out of the textbook like anyone can do without actually teaching.


That hits pretty much everyone, viscerally, if they take the time to remember it. Yes, we all were pupils. However, mastery does indeed require a guide. And "teachers" as you find in K-12 and even commonly in any form of undergrad and, sadly, in some post-grad fields, are just book repeaters. They don't know, they don't care. They have to give a lesson to get paid. You need to fill in expected shit to get a grade. Understanding and application are irrelevant.
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Jan 14 2025 02:49pm
That hits pretty much everyone, viscerally, if they take the time to remember it. Yes, we all were pupils. However, mastery does indeed require a guide. And "teachers" as you find in K-12 and even commonly in any form of undergrad and, sadly, in some post-grad fields, are just book repeaters. They don't know, they don't care. They have to give a lesson to get paid. You need to fill in expected shit to get a grade. Understanding and application are irrelevant.


I agree about those type of teachers, and I believe that we need an entire reformation of the teaching regime.

Alot of people think teachers are a silver bullet to education - "if only we had good teachers and we paid them enough, we'd have good education" - this simply isn't true. Education is a two way street - the pupil must be actively engaged in learning to actually learn. The problem we have now is we plop 30 kids into a classroom and tell them to sit down and shut up while they don't listen to their "teacher" who also doesn't care and just reads a curriculum getting paid their minimum wage. There must first be a bedrock of culture where children value and seek education. Many families have this culture with children who enjoyed learning but many more now don't.
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Jan 14 2025 05:19pm
Coincide with mass immigration. Time to put DEI in place to teach the waves of corporate slaves entering our countries. In Canada, they want more brown teachers, cops and social workers. We're giving them Canada on a silver platter because most Canadians suffer from a lack of masculinity/testosterone. No men left to fight a crooked system replacing them with Brown people.
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Jan 14 2025 07:37pm
When did we, as a society, go from kids getting their asses whooped if they brought home bad grades, to parents wanting to whoop the teachers' ass if their spawn doesn't get the good grades he/she is "entitled" to?


something teachers and parents are horrible about is every kid should be a straight A student. sets everyone including the kid up for disappointment. straight A's are not going to get kids through in life. especially in this day and age of technology giving so much access to information. its about skills not knowledge
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