or shakespeare
shakespeare can wear a face diaper

They will not. Again, grocery stores have had differing policies that people objected to all over the nation. The only time they "find themselves on the losing end" in court is if they are the only grocery store in an entire geographical area. In other words, if a store has a monopoly on essential sales, then they're regarded legally as something much more closely in line with a public utility, and the measure by which they can refuse you business goes way up. This is really only an issue in rural areas, many of which either have no mask mandates, or don't observe them in the first place.

For larger towns and cities where there are plenty of competing grocers, it's not a thing. If one place refuses you entry because you refuse to follow their policy, you simply go to the competitor down the road. Again, for you to have any standing in court, you must prove injury. And you cannot prove injury when there is competition happy to do business with you. Hell, for that matter, you can't prove injury over something like a mask policy at a store at all unless you can prove a real and active health detriment following the store policy will have on you. Yet the business owner can easily countersue and prove injury due to the increased health risk you have put them and their other customers at by failing to follow their policies.

there is no science that mask stop covid and it isnt a store policy its a state mandate

but there is plenty of science that shows masking is hazardous

This post was edited by TiStuff on Dec 20 2020 11:26pm

There's plenty of science that masks help reduce the threat of infecting other people with viruses and bacteria you personally are carrying, including covid. It's not a guarantee, but the reduction in likelihood absolutely exists.

And once again, some stores do have store policies currently requiring masks. Others are only attempting to comply with mandates. Those simply following mandates? All you need to do is claim a health issue that prevents you from wearing the mask. Those where it's actual store policy? Unless there is no other store in the geographical area that provides the same goods/services, you have no standing to disobey the store policy, and can be trespassed from the private business.

there is no scientific data that masks prevent the spread of covid. In fact the data shows covid is higher where masks are required. Its puzzeling perhaps but that is what the data is.

corona is so small it passes right through a mask and at the same time it accumulates plenty of other bad things. The insanity and it looks like everything from the lefties is bad.

as much as we are arguing about it, there is a reason why stores open to the public dont make arbitrary rules

Yes and people die in hospitals so the hospitals must be killing people.

It's almost like the worst hit areas are more likely to implement mask orders or something .

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 20 2020 11:52pm

nobody really know why. couple theorys. water vapor is broken up into a finer mist due to masks thus it lasts longer and farther on air currents before falling to the ground. the other is the strees caused by mask mandates and the stress caused by the fearmongering hyping up the dangers of said disease. Stress has adverse effects on the immune system.

i think we do agree on the important stuff

This is false in so many ways.

Scientific fact: If you are sick with a contagion that is spread via bodily fluid, then wearing a mask will reduce the risk of your random sneeze, cough, or speech spreading your bodily fluids to another person. It does not completely remove the risk that you will spread the contagion, it's called a "risk mitigation". The irony is that gloves are equally as important, if not more so, and nobody seems to be mandating those. Though many employers are requiring employees to wear gloves.

And correlation does not equal causation. Mask usage isn't the reason for areas having a higher rate of spread. Areas have the higher rate of spread, and mandate masks.

As to whether or not Covid will go through a mask, that is true to an extent, but limited. The basic thought is that once they acknowledged that covid is indeed airborne, and aerosolizes, you need to limit the amount of "free floating covid". Covid survives in aerosolized form for approximately 3 hours. So if you're wearing a mask and that mask catches 65% of the virus, preventing it from being "free floating" then that's 65% less chance you're going to infect someone else. Are mandates good based on 65% limitation? I'd tend to think not so much. But to claim masks have no impact at all is to deny science.

65% is a fantasy. Perhaps under hospital condition were they constantly change the mask. but store clerks wear the the same thing shift after shift day after day. kinda gross when one thinks about it when in a grocery store. they are actually gueina pigs. there are no long term studies of mask wearing up until the mandates. its all been so sloppy. but I often say "its not about covid its about something else" we can know this is true they dont care what one wraps their face in just so long as its wrapped. People are breathing through all kinds of weird stuff inhaling all different kinds of fibers.

you said: "But to claim masks have no impact at all is to deny science" it is possible that the mask might catch a corona virus but does any one weigh the hazard of masking??? do you know how small a corona virus is? do you know what the pore size is in the mask. I have found maskers never know the scientific data.

i make my case in thread
"no masks"
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84140232&f=27


I dont claim they have no impact. My claim is over all they have an adverse impact. May even suggest they are trying to make people sick. seriously? what has the left brought that has been good? a virus that is above a 99.9 survival rate.

sneezing and coughing just makes a finer mist. your supposed to cough and sneeze into a napkin or something and throw it away. But not any more cause the world gone nuts. want to atomize that slobber and get stuff in that mask for secondary infections.