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the confinement of nature is humanity's greatest sin
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 08:01pm)
Businesses do not "serve" the public. Businesses do business, aka sell their products or services to the public. They are not public works. They're private property financed through private investment. The word "serve" doesn't exist in the model of private business. Get it through your head.

And yes, a restaurant can refuse to serve you if you violate their policies, thereby deciding you are not going to eat there. Absolutely. You have no right to compel the labor of other people. They are NOT public servants, they are NOT being paid by tax dollars.

Regarding the racial issue, you cannot by law refuse service based solely on the ethnicity, religion, or gender of the potential customer. On the flipside, you CAN refuse service based on lack of shirt, shoes, pants, mask, etc. Because it's your private property. :)


the argument is about basic necessities like grocery stores your trying to move it to luxury items

"Regarding the racial issue, you cannot by law refuse service based solely on the ethnicity, religion, or gender of the potential customer." No one brought this up please stay on topic.

"...CAN refuse service based on lack of shirt, shoes, pants, mask, etc..." etc? what/were is your limit were would you draw the line? is there a line you wont cross?

and your still dodging
"and the big question still is, "at what point do you draw the line" that question determines whether your an "order follower" or not. It determines if you have any principle."
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Quote (SoWintertodt @ 20 Dec 2020 20:07)
In matter fact I am working on an assembly line where we do safety belts and I do that in Germany and still getting paid under the minimum wage and work as a slave...
They say take it or leave it, and it's a top 5 car components manufacturer worldwide, so from my point of view poor will stay poor and rich will get richer thanks to capitalism.


Who's pointing a gun to your head and demanding you work at a factory in Germany, exactly? I'm highly interested in some clarifying details here. I was under the impression that free travel is still a thing in the EU. Why not go east, make your way to China?
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 21 Dec 2020 05:12)
Who's pointing a gun to your head and demanding you work at a factory in Germany, exactly? I'm highly interested in some clarifying details here. I was under the impression that free travel is still a thing in the EU. Why not go east, make your way to China?


It's free travel as long you got the money for it :rofl:
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the argument is about basic necessities like grocery stores your trying to move it to luxury items


No, it applies to everything. "Basic necessities" as you call them all require the labor and investment of private people. You do not have the "right" to another person's milk. You did not purchase the cow, you do not feed the cow, care for the cow, or milk the cow. You have not paid for the right to that milk until you actually pay for the milk. Grocery stores trespass people off their properties all the time for everything from theft to loitering and panhandling to harassing other customers or employees. You have no "right" to enter private property, regardless of the type of good.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Dec 2020 20:11)
"Regarding the racial issue, you cannot by law refuse service based solely on the ethnicity, religion, or gender of the potential customer." No one brought this up please stay on topic.


You brought it up, though indirectly. The only example in recent history of people simply blocking people from their businesses willy nilly had to do with racial segregation. And that's now 100% illegal.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Dec 2020 20:11)
"...CAN refuse service based on lack of shirt, shoes, pants, mask, etc..." etc? what/were is your limit were would you draw the line? is there a line you wont cross?


It's private property. The limit is whatever the property owner says it is, and the law.

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and your still dodging
"and the big question still is, "at what point do you draw the line" that question determines whether your an "order follower" or not. It determines if you have any principle."


The line is drawn at the law. You have no right to enter private property beyond what the law and the private property owner allows. The private business owner doesn't even have to open their business. Your ability to utilize their business exist entirely on their whim, always.

Once again, to claim you have "principles" because you want to force people to do or not do things on their own private property is completely assinine. It's their property. If you wish to utilize it, it's your obligation to follow their rules. If their rules are complete shit, then people will stop doing business with that business, and they will go out of business. It's as simple as that.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 08:21pm)
No, it applies to everything. "Basic necessities" as you call them all require the labor and investment of private people. You do not have the "right" to another person's milk. You did not purchase the cow, you do not feed the cow, care for the cow, or milk the cow. You have not paid for the right to that milk until you actually pay for the milk. Grocery stores trespass people off their properties all the time for everything from theft to loitering and panhandling to harassing other customers or employees. You have no "right" to enter private property, regardless of the type of good.



You brought it up, though indirectly. The only example in recent history of people simply blocking people from their businesses willy nilly had to do with racial segregation. And that's now 100% illegal.



It's private property. The limit is whatever the property owner says it is, and the law.



The line is drawn at the law. You have no right to enter private property beyond what the law and the private property owner allows. The private business owner doesn't even have to open their business. Your ability to utilize their business exist entirely on their whim, always.

Once again, to claim you have "principles" because you want to force people to do or not do things on their own private property is completely assinine. It's their property. If you wish to utilize it, it's your obligation to follow their rules. If their rules are complete shit, then people will stop doing business with that business, and they will go out of business. It's as simple as that.


and your still dodging
"and the big question still is, "at what point do you draw the line" that question determines whether your an "order follower" or not. It determines if you have any principle."

?so there is no line you wont cross?
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Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Dec 2020 20:24)
and your still dodging
"and the big question still is, "at what point do you draw the line" that question determines whether your an "order follower" or not. It determines if you have any principle."

?so there is no line you wont cross?


There's no dodge, merely your complete inability to accept an answer you do not like. The line is the law and whatever rules the private property owner establishes. If you violate the rights of the property owner, you're in the wrong. It's not about being an "order follower". It's completely about "You have no right to someone else's property beyond what they, and the law, allows."

Grow up and accept that you don't always get answers you like, kiddo.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 08:21pm)
No, it applies to everything. "Basic necessities" as you call them all require the labor and investment of private people. You do not have the "right" to another person's milk. You did not purchase the cow, you do not feed the cow, care for the cow, or milk the cow. You have not paid for the right to that milk until you actually pay for the milk. Grocery stores trespass people off their properties all the time for everything from theft to loitering and panhandling to harassing other customers or employees. You have no "right" to enter private property, regardless of the type of good.



You brought it up, though indirectly. The only example in recent history of people simply blocking people from their businesses willy nilly had to do with racial segregation. And that's now 100% illegal.



It's private property. The limit is whatever the property owner says it is, and the law.



The line is drawn at the law. You have no right to enter private property beyond what the law and the private property owner allows. The private business owner doesn't even have to open their business. Your ability to utilize their business exist entirely on their whim, always.

Once again, to claim you have "principles" because you want to force people to do or not do things on their own private property is completely assinine. It's their property. If you wish to utilize it, it's your obligation to follow their rules. If their rules are complete shit, then people will stop doing business with that business, and they will go out of business. It's as simple as that.



masks are bad for you make it harder to breath Masks cause people to re breath their own waste product And the worst part, masks are a breeding ground for germs. A nice moist shaded environment is the best conditions for germs. Every time a mask is adjusted or moved for lets say a drink of water more and more germs are transmitted to the mask or going to the bathroom and wiping them self and touching the mask. soon making it a cesspool of germs.


And thats what I have to look at. People all face wrapped up carrying around their own little biological culture of germs. People constantly breathing on their little babies to keep them a nice moist environment.
thats what I see when some one has a mask on, a petri dish right at their mouths and its gross. Its unsanitary,
a toilet attached to their face.

A lie worn on the face, actually wearing shit on the face. Its a line I cant step over its the difference between some and others. perhaps it only the order folllower that go into the "brave" new world...................................with lies and shit on their faces
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