I agree with the idea of reducing our stockpiles(as well as Russia and China), but I'm pessimistic as to whether it will actually happen. Plus, I think it's kind of pointless. Even after reductions we still have the power to destroy the world.

I disagree entirely with your last line. If Israel and the United States stops Iran's nuclear program with targeted air strikes, it will send a message to the rest of the Middle East. Nukes take a while to build, and the United States has the capacity to stop virtually any small country from acquiring nukes. This may get complicated as China or Russia begin to become more powerful and more aggressive. Weapons should not and can not proliferate.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 10 2012 09:32am

Who is more dangerous with nuclear weapons, Iran or Israel? Its all a question of who is more likely to strike first
And Israel always strikes first. They always have. And they did yesterday, too;

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120310/gaza-strip-air-strike-triggers-new-violent-exchange-120310/20120310/?hub=EdmontonHome

Things got too nice and peaceful, so israel decided to launch a wave of bombings on the gaza strip for shits and giggles.
And you guys honestly thing Iran would be a dangerous with a nuke?

If you want to be scared of something, be scared of how China, Russia and North Korea would respond when Israel decides to preemptively launch a nuke.

Iran of course. Israel is going to strike first, but not with nukes.

Israel isn't going to nuke Iran. Why do you people automatically think bombing implies nuking?

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 10 2012 11:40am

Because Israel has always historically acted, has always struck first, and is doing so right now this very minute- making it very likely to be the instigator of a nuclear conflict
Meanwhile Iran has never been an aggressor outside of its borders in its history, and does not commit foreign acts of terrorism ever.

So which country is more likely to be the instigator of a nuclear war? Fucking obviously Israel. Anyone who says otherwise is buying pure propaganda.
Israel has a history of preemptive strikes, starting wars, terrorism and assassinations all over the world, and false flag operations to manufacture casus belli
Iran, on the other hand, has been pinned down in being an oppressive state confined within its own borders, and crippled by wars aggressively waged *against* it.


So where is this reasoning to say "Iran would start it". Israel has "started it" a dozenfold over. Iran has never once. So how do we reason that Iran would start it?
Its illogical.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 10 2012 11:56am

Both countries are fucked and we need to get out of there. The bullshit that all happened after the world wars and the influence of western europe/russia and the US has had in this land is just stupid, we need to leave and clean ourselves of being involved in this mess and put our worries in other things.

Iran is bringing this upon itself by trying to develop a nuclear weapon, and by blatantly supporting terrorist groups. They are a dangerous regime that can't be trusted with a nuclear weapon.

Nuclear war won't happen, because the Israelis have the will to stop Iran from acquiring a nuke. Eventually America will have the will.

And tell me, what makes them dangerous?
That they're trying to develop a nuclear weapon, and thus bringing this on themselves?
Nice circular logic there batman, can you please try to fucking reason with me instead of spewing zionist propaganda?

Supporting terrorist groups? Like what, the governments of lebanon and palestine? The democratically elected governments?
And if you call them terrorists, after they're elected, that makes them terrorists on its own?


Right now, Israel is actively recruiting member of the largest terrorist organization in Iran to conduct assassinations and terrorist bombings against government targets, scientists, and even false flag operations against Israelis.
Israel doesn't just "fund terrorist groups", it actively goes out, assassinates people, puts bombs in their houses, tortures them to death in UAE hotel rooms, etc. It does most of its dirty work itself.



What you said is "Israel has the will to start a nuclear war".
No, America won't have the will. America could more easily swing to rampant antisemitism than to fighting Israel's nuclear war. We don't have the appetite for a 3rd draw out conflict, but a nuclear war? You'd best be shitting yourself. We'd sooner cannibalize our israeli ties and burn every bridge than get slogging into an israeli nuclear war against russia and china.


Israel plays a game of brinksmanship, but they have long since slipped into overconfidence.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 10 2012 12:13pm

A regime that calls for the annihilation of Israel, and has been shown to supply weapons to terrorists, is not a dangerous nation? You are delusional.



Israel does what it feels is necessary to defend their nation. I don't agree with a lot of what they do(and U.S. officials are privately critical of what they do). The fact is, Iran acquiring a nuke isn't going to happen. There are too many risks involved, which the prime minister highlights in the OP.



Why would Israel nuke Iran? How does that benefit their security over just taking out their nuclear facilities? Please explain that to me.

You and many others on this forum simply don't understand that if the U.S. intervenes it won't be a drawn out conflict. It will be quick, effective, and the Iranians will get the message.

Russia has supported sanctions against Iran, why the hell would they get in a war with the West?

You say "calls for annihilation of Israel" in your own interpretation of Iran's agenda.
Meanwhile, Israel openly attacks Iran and commits terrorism against them- they don't discuss *whether* they'd like to destroy Iran, but *how*.

How can you even come close to equating that, let alone saying Iran is worse?



Iran wants a nuke for the same reasons North Korea wants it; and North Korea got theirs, and look at how well that worked for them. Iran will get nukes.
You don't agree with what Israel does?

What lunacy is this. Israel openly bombs, assassinates, commits terrorism and sabotage and occupies and invades, and you brush it off by saying "you don't agree with them on that" but then condemn Iran for a purely *perceived* utterly vague link to Terrorism?




Here, let me break this down for you. Iran has 0 links to terrorism. Iran has zero links to terrorism. Zero. They do not commit acts of foreign terrorism. They do not kill people outside of their own country. They do not pay people to kill people for them. They do not conduct attacks on other countries, they do not invade other countries. Iran does a lot of evil stuff to its own country- it is an oppressive, tyrannical regime- but at least I know what it is evil for, and what it does wrong- instead of believing in made up bullshit wardrum beating propaganda, like you do. Iran has never been linked to anything that could even be construed as acts of terrorism. The closest they've ever gotten is they once assassinated a guy just outside of their borders- but it was an Iranian dissident who had fled the country.

Israel has taken it so far as to actually create false flag terror attacks on its own people, employing Iranian dissidents through Mossad to attack jewish targets, simply to build this "Iran = Terrorism" case.



Because Iranian nuclear facilities are so far underground that they are immune to normal weaponry and nothing short of bunker buster nukes would disrupt their facilities.
Have you missed the clue train? You can drop bombs all day long on a mountain, they aren't going to do diddly.


Now let me ask you this, Why would Iran nuke Israel? It would gain absolutely nothing. It cares only about its *own* security, and it can't take out Israel's army with a piddly few nukes, and would face overwhelming destruction in return.
The only purpose nukes serve Iran is as a deterrent, like with North Korea; meaning Israel/US can no longer push them around with threats of force.




I have never heard a more bullshit statement on this entire forum on all the time I've been here.
There have been trolls who say intentionally stupid things, but I have never heard someone who actually *thinks* anything that dumb.


Iran has an arguably larger military than Israel. It is orders of magnitude stronger than what Iraq was; it handily wiped Iraq's ass just a decade beforehand.
Invading and occupying Afghanistan / Iraq was a matter of blowing up straw huts with smart bombs. It was the bully picking on a toddler. There was no fight.
Iran, on the other hand, has one of the world's largest non-superpower militaries, a navy, armed to the teeth and beyond ready for protracted fights.
The only area where Israel even has an advantage over Iran is in its air force

We aren't talking about fighting a backwards ass crumbling country that hates its own leader and is collapsing under sectarian strife. That was Iraq.
What we're talking about is attacking a country thats only a few years behind on technology and capability, impossible to occupy and the biggest threat in its entire region barring turkey.




Quick, effective, Iranians will get the message? You're talking about starting world war fucking three.
The only way it will be "quick" is if the nukes start flying right away. Then you can enjoy your effective apocalypse.

Wow, so much misinformation. I'll reply to that beast sometime tonight.