The majority population in any country is vulgar.
Given the big effect Israel has on Arab psyche in general, I hope you realize that your actions can either encourage or hurt the voice of people like me.
And here I am playing devil's advocate, I think Arabs made many mistakes including the 48 attack and the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries.
My opinion is that majority of Israeli population is much the same as majority of Arab population, taken hostage to their leaders agenda.
Are you really surprised that the ruling elite in your country that all have military background have a vested stake to continue conflict?

every time I prove you are wrong you talk about few token but its not couple of tokens it billion of them
and like I said we can not soak more Muslims or it won't be Jewish state anymore I am sorry.
But we will have to stay here with what we got right now.
There is apartheid in Israel there was an occupied terrority which was occupied before hand to Egypt which is Gaza.
and West Bank which is the problematic area right now.
West Bank isn't part of Israel and we are trying to take the settlers out of there.
Those who live within Israel have full rights and citizenship those who lived outside no and won't get it.

if you call it apartheid you fail to understand how serious this accustion is and furthermore you failed to understand what appartheid is.
And btw I already discussed all these things in the thread if you want to understand more read the thread don't join in middle of the conversion and start trolling.
Thank you.

You just accuse us all the time whitesound asked you once how would we soak them and you didn't answer and you don't provide any solution.
Everyone in Israel have a military backround so are we all part of the same elite?
we can't afford people not going to the army.

Yes I completely agree with the most times the majority of population is taken hostage by their leaders agenda yet, here we can actualy replace the leaders.
in Arab counties they have 50 thousand deaths and then they find a replacement.

World is not enjoying US world hegemony doing whatever they like without repercussion, don't be delusional. Mr. over-privileged, get your dang hands out of the cookie jar will you.
You need Ron Paul foreign policy.

I didn't see all those instances of institutionalize discrimination listed before so I wanted to put then in some consolidated area. Above this post I posted the definition of apartheid and what is occurring in Israel is indeed that, no matter how many times you say "but it really doesn't feel like that here". And I'm not saying that Israeli apartheid is the same as South African apartheid....firstly because South Africa eventually gave up apartheid, and secondly South Africa stopped being a rogue state and joined the rest of the world by forsaking nuclear weapons and signing the NNPT. Israeli apartheid is indeed more nefarious than South African because it is in the guise of being temporary when you and I clearly know that it isn't.

Israel has every right to exist even if is just by the virtue of their strength, but they need to wise up and quite expanding borders. 1967 borders is a good start...and get in line with all the human rights abuses.

And don't act like the Palestinians haven't lived there for many many years, regardless of who technically owned the land. You and I both know that the only reason Israel exists is because of colonialism and the British Mandate for Palestine.

And nice ad hominem at the end there, but I've been here for awhile I don't need posting advice.

I didn't say in any of my comment that it doesn't feel like that here.
I simply said it is not an apartheid, you only name it like this because you simply don't understand it (It is not systematic oppression and domination we went out of Gaza didn't we?)
You have Arab serving in the Army so how can it fits the Racial groups over another racial group?
We are all desendet of semitic race.
Its far more complex for people who read the newspapers to understand.

I don't act like anything palestinians did live here, they sacrfice their land in the hand of the Arab countries around us and they lost war I am sorry.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Mar 13 2012 08:04am

I am not talking about average Israeli serving in the army. But the leaders circles who set strategic policies.
They have a vested interest to continue to conflict and it is fair to say imo that Israel is ruled by the military establishment. But it is more covert not overt.

I give you an example not long ago Barak paid a visit to the northern borders and proclaimed that "The next time there is war, we might ask you [the IDF] to occupy southern Lebanon". Shortly afterward, Hassan Nasrallah mocked him by saying "The next time Israel attacks us, we might ask you [the Hezbollah fighters] to occupy northern Israel". And the next day the Israeli newspapers were going crazy about how Nasrallah threatened to occupy Israel without taking into account the context, which was sarcasm btw. How will the average Israeli voter react to this for example? He will be scared and think omg I need the military to protect me.

So there aren't streets that Jews are allowed on that Arabs aren't?
I must be wrong then.

I gtg, class.

I didn't even knew about the incident.
But yes there are few ways to enter politics and one of them is the army after a short period of none service.
These people are best in creating new strategic it will be dumb not to use them.
But we can replace them if they are wrong,



No there is no such thing.
Arabs with Citizenship that live in this country can go every where and live anywhere.
Fuck this I got an Arab naibour and I live near Tel - Aviv.
I really do not know where you guys taking this info from.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Mar 13 2012 08:11am

It is not that simple because when they feel threatened they will instigate a conflict and when it happens people will vote for them.
I am not trying to randomly bash but I am explaining why I said that I think the average Israeli is hostage.