Quote (Santara @ Aug 22 2017 12:58pm)

No one tortured the diary out of Hanz Frank, or even denied its validity. He bragged about intentionally starving the Jews of Poland, and kept records as to their population levels. He also noted mass arrests and executions as commonplace for population control. His first diary entries noted a population of 3.5 million. His last ones noted a population around 100,000. That is NOT "normal wartime casualties" for ANY demographic, INCLUDING combat troops. The percentage of German military combatants who survived the war was 71%. The percentage of Polish Jews who survived according to just this Nazi's diary? 3%. Total German civilian casualties for the entire war - which certainly included massive Soviet reprisal killings - was about 1.5 million, out of a populace twice as large as Poland's.

I'm sorry, I'm right with you about the evils of central banking and the wars that have been led for the sake of it, but there is NO whitewashing of the Holocaust. Hitler could have had his cake and eaten it too, but he had to go on the offensive, and he had to specifically order the most massive killing spree in history. You should read the link I posted in comment #77. It contrasts the way the Germans fought on the Eastern and Western fronts. German tactical and strategic decision making regarding the conquests of France, Norway, and the low countries focused on the classic blitzkrieg of thrusting/pincer moves aimed at taking land and capturing territory and prisoners. The local governing officials and intelligentsia were left mostly intact (aside from the Jews), the locals were left with the capacity to still produce food for themselves, etc. In the east, the fighting was massive frontal assaults intended to kill as many as possible. Utter savagery. And the Einsatzgruppen came behind the army's advance and the locals were savaged. Their food stores were taken for the army and its horses (the German army moved predominantly by horse), the local governing officials were murdered and the populace left to starve.

Quote (Ghot @ Aug 22 2017 10:50am)

Lol. Guys, WW II is long over. Let's concentrate on WW III.

Quote (sir_lance_bb @ Aug 22 2017 11:54am)

You can't have real wars when the big boy powers can end the world at a moments notice and countries have enough of a nuclear stockpile to block out the sun for 1 thousand years.

Quote (tric-isHUGE @ Aug 22 2017 07:52am)

The Nuremburg trials are THE DEFINITION of a Kangaroo Court. They were literally torturing the Germans for confessions!

Quote (tric-isHUGE @ Aug 22 2017 07:52am)

WW2 is nothing but a fucking farce because the real lessons of what transpired have not been understood. The labor based currency system they used to foster an enormous economic boon is the KEY to everything regarding WW2. WW2 was no more about Jews than the Civil war was about slavery. And any of us who know a fucking thing about the civil war know that is a bold faced lie. And who is doing the lying? And why? It all comes back to international finance and controlling the population. It's about controlling the narrative.

Quote (tric-isHUGE @ Aug 22 2017 06:53pm)

There is no documentation that Hitler ordered the "largest killing spree in history." ( lol ). Even if one man did act towards the Jews in a vicious fashion it is still only one person and not a "final solution". I don't think it is hard to imagine that during a very long and brutal world war that war crimes will happen. But to exaggerate them to be systematic genocide is disingenuous. Everyone was starving! Typhus was everywhere! What of it?

Quote (sir_lance_bb @ Aug 22 2017 11:47am)

Germans were making the better tanks too but it didn't matter because the US economy and infrastructure was ahead of them.

Quote (Gastly @ Aug 22 2017 09:50am)

Or instead of making shit up you can actually read the evidence yourself.
http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/


The Finance minister Hjalmar Schacht actually warned Hitler that their spending was unsustainable - mostly because a healthy economy isn't a war economy. The Nazi economy explicitly relied on stealing resources - first from the Jews and then from the Poles and the Czechs.


Why did the Nazi leadership talk about exterminating the Jews then? See: Pösen speech, Wannsee conference, etc.


From what I recall from the literature, Stugs were pretty decent but everything else was over enginneered and not very efficient.

Quote (Ghot @ Aug 22 2017 12:31pm)

Maybe we could argue about ancient Greece instead. If current events isn't what floats your boat.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Aug 22 2017 01:23pm)

Stugs and some of the later Panzer variants were solid. But nothing touched the Tiger II. The downfall was that they were expensive to produce but the Germany heavy tanks were far and above the elite machines during WW2.

Quote (Santara @ 22 Aug 2017 07:58)

No one tortured the diary out of Hanz Frank, or even denied its validity. He bragged about intentionally starving the Jews of Poland, and kept records as to their population levels. He also noted mass arrests and executions as commonplace for population control. His first diary entries noted a population of 3.5 million. His last ones noted a population around 100,000. That is NOT "normal wartime casualties" for ANY demographic, INCLUDING combat troops. The percentage of German military combatants who survived the war was 71%. The percentage of Polish Jews who survived according to just this Nazi's diary? 3%. Total German civilian casualties for the entire war - which certainly included massive Soviet reprisal killings - was about 1.5 million, out of a populace twice as large as Poland's.

I'm sorry, I'm right with you about the evils of central banking and the wars that have been led for the sake of it, but there is NO whitewashing of the Holocaust. Hitler could have had his cake and eaten it too, but he had to go on the offensive, and he had to specifically order the most massive killing spree in history. You should read the link I posted in comment #77. It contrasts the way the Germans fought on the Eastern and Western fronts. German tactical and strategic decision making regarding the conquests of France, Norway, and the low countries focused on the classic blitzkrieg of thrusting/pincer moves aimed at taking land and capturing territory and prisoners. The local governing officials and intelligentsia were left mostly intact (aside from the Jews), the locals were left with the capacity to still produce food for themselves, etc. In the east, the fighting was massive frontal assaults intended to kill as many as possible. Utter savagery. And the Einsatzgruppen came behind the army's advance and the locals were savaged. Their food stores were taken for the army and its horses (the German army moved predominantly by horse), the local governing officials were murdered and the populace left to starve.

Quote (Ghot @ 22 Aug 2017 10:50)

Lol. Guys, WW II is long over. Let's concentrate on WW III.

Quote (Unconscious @ Aug 22 2017 03:41pm)

No. If we're referencing the supposed 6 million jews, this was in no way remotely close to the "most massive killing spree in history".

Pretty sure that number is what? 80-100+ million?




Indeed. People don't realize that WWIII has been going on for over a decade now. It's called "The war on terror".

Quote (Santara @ Aug 21 2017 02:06pm)