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Mar 8 2012 12:01am
Quote (TheRelapse @ Mar 8 2012 01:01am)
this


Why?
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Mar 8 2012 12:13am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 7 2012 11:59pm)
What are you talking about?

Applying our greatest principles internationally, and extending them to even our presumed enemies.
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Mar 8 2012 12:18am
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Applying our greatest principles internationally, and extending them to even our presumed enemies.


So you're saying you support installing democracy in the Middle East. Gotcha.
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Mar 8 2012 12:31am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 8 2012 12:18am)
So you're saying you support installing democracy in the Middle East. Gotcha.


Not quite. Democracy most definatly isnt it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXa8byZiyaw

Was alluding to extrending that to others that which was granted to us; for instance The Second Amendment.
If these principles hold any sacred signifigance, they should be shared.
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Mar 9 2012 11:54pm
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 8 2012 02:18am)
So you're saying you support installing democracy in the Middle East.  Gotcha.


We are not a democracy... a democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

This post was edited by Lizar50 on Mar 9 2012 11:55pm
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Mar 10 2012 02:26am
Netanyahu is a war criminal and should be tried as such.

AIPAC controls US foreign policy

the end
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Mar 10 2012 02:51am
Quote (Lizar50 @ Mar 10 2012 12:54am)
We are not a democracy... a democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.


Cool, none of us have heard that before.

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Quote (MrBobMarley @ Mar 10 2012 03:26am)
Netanyahu is a war criminal and should be tried as such.

AIPAC controls US foreign policy

the end


What war crimes has he committed?

NN half-assed conspiracy theories
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Mar 10 2012 03:15am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 8 2012 07:32am)
Israel should not have nuclear weapons for the exact same reasons.


This. So is case with other countries, like Pakistan, far more dangerous than Iran if you ask me.
Not to mention dangerous regimes like the USA addicted to war every few years to stimulate economy.

Quote (TradeBot @ Mar 8 2012 07:57am)
Every nation which has an origin of rich cultural history should have the means at their disposal for defence.


Very true. Although it is arguable what a defense consists of. It is a waist and very dangerous to get into a complicated M.A.D. grid between many nations.
Global binding nuclear disarmament is the way to go.

Quote (sproknet @ Mar 8 2012 07:43am)
Agree w/ most of what Netanyahu is saying.  He's a bit too hawkish, but he's right to say that the ayatollah is too crazy to handle nukes.


Not Natanyahu nor any serious Israeli or American ME policy maker really believes the ayatollah are crazy. This is hogwash fed to the masses to scare them.

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 8 2012 07:55am)
I think the nuclear shield argument is the strongest, along with a Middle East arms race.  It's only a matter of time before we have to do something.  Hopefully we don't get over-involved.


Hopefully that something will be a peaceful multilateral nuclear disarmament initiative through intensive diplomatic operations. This can be achieved if USA spends less than quarter of what it does on wars.
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Hopefully that something will be a peaceful multilateral nuclear disarmament initiative through intensive diplomatic operations. This can be achieved if USA spends less than quarter of what it does on wars.


Why would you have any reason to believe Iran would be willing to negotiate on terms America/Israel could agree on?

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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 10 2012 11:57am)
Why would you have any reason to believe Iran would be willing to negotiate on terms America/Israel could agree on?


I didn't mean specifically Iran. I meant for nuclear proliferation in general, since you mentioned the valid point of a ME nuclear arms race. Iran getting a nuke will make other big ME countries want one like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey.
This pattern also applies on larger scale between USA, Russia, China.
The drive of a country to have a nuclear weapon depends on what other countries have, it is not an independent variable.
So to reduce global drive for nuclear proliferation, there should be global nuclear disarmament treaties in which America and other world powers will have to compromise on their own arsenal.
Till that happens, USA or another world power will be playing whack the mole... today Iran, tomorrow someone else, and in the long run nuclear weapons will proliferate anyway.
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