Stefan Molyneux was the only person within the news sphere that accurately described why this happens imo.

Conservatism and Leftism are mutually exclusive frameworks to build a civilization. The only way to employ conservatism is to physically remove and destroy the leftist system in place, and vice-versa.

These people are so angry because they know that the leftist framework of laws and bureaucracy are going the be torn down and replaced with something else. Conservatives feel the same, although their actions are a bit less dramatic.

They aren't wrong when they say that their form of democracy is going to be destroyed. It could take decades for them to rebuild what is broken down, if it ever happens.

Nah, there definitely is a viable middle ground. We already had it in the not so distant past. Things just began spiraling out of control for a variety of reasons.

Trumps team gonna start getting charged for the fake elector scheme first in AZ which is exactly what I said was the real crime of the election BS finding fake electors to cast illegal EC votes to not follow the results of the election. One more reason the guy is a shit person

The moderates aren't the ones screaming about the end of democracy. I can tell you that.

Crying about people on the left going more to the left is a lost cause. Gen Z women are the most liberal in our country's history. I can't wait to see what they complain about once they turn 30.



What the delegates did was stupid in their case, but the founding fathers of our country would turn over in their graves at the notion of jailing those types of people for simply doing their job. They aren't bound delegates for a reason.

So your saying if Joe Biden swaps delegates they vote him back in as president as members of the EC your ok with that? Even if trumps wins the election ?

It would be stupid, and widely regarded as a bad idea, but not illegal.

The is exactly how Andrew Jackson won in the 19th century. He campaigned that the election was stolen from him and won an overwhelming victory in the next election.

In that previous election, there was a four-way split. Andrew Jackson won a clear plurality of both the popular vote and the electoral vote, but John Quincy Adams was elected president in his stead by the House. This came after Adams had bought off a third candidate (Henry Clay) with the promise of appointing him Secretary of State.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1824_United_States_presidential_election

So Jackson had a damn good reason to label his defeat a "corrupt bargain". Trump has none of these arguments. Unlike Jackson, he lost the popular and electoral vote. It was a straight 1on1 in which he got defeated, no corrupt backroom deals involved. The comparison only makes sense if one believes in the Trump narrative that the election was literally stolen from him - an accusation for which him and his team have never been able to produce evidence.

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Henry Clay never let an opportunity pass him by, I aspire to be just like him.

Evidence. 50 intelligence officials signing on to laptop Russia information knowing it to be untrue. Which was enough to sway the election.

I think you lost the sense of the full discussion. I think we both agree about the nature of both events.

If the Trump electors had defected, Biden would have been gifted a landslide victory in 2024. Trump wouldn't be able to run on the "they're all out to get me" tagline anymore. It's a good thing that the election wasn't swayed by disloyal delegates back then.



This was found to be fraudulent.