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May 29 2018 07:44am
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Dosent that person live in Toronto.


Belgian, with a Polish GF, she might have taken the step beyond raising cats, leaving jsp behind ;)

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They were in an active gun battle. I think it's warranted. Not sure how you you're linking this to the trigger happy guppies.


Think he relates it to that prisons don't rehabilitate, it's better to kill ppl then send them to prison: weed dealers getting cocaine connections, etc. Petty criminals hardening up.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Ghot is hinting at wanting a justice system that's on par with NK.
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May 29 2018 07:47am
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Belgian, with a Polish GF, she might have taken the step beyond raising cats, leaving jsp behind ;)



Think he relates it to that prisons don't rehabilitate, it's better to kill ppl then send them to prison: weed dealers getting cocaine connections, etc. Petty criminals hardening up.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Ghot is hinting at wanting a justice system that's on par with NK.




No I don't. What I want is for folks to stop blaming cops for everything. Like the girl on the beach instance.

I picked THIS topic because it is fairly obvious what happens when you have wimpy cops. 2 dead and several wounded, from ONE guy.
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May 29 2018 07:50am
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No I don't. What I want is for folks to stop blaming cops for everything. Like the girl on the beach instance.

I picked THIS topic because it is fairly obvious what happens when you have wimpy cops. 2 dead and several wounded, from ONE guy.


Ah okey. well not blame them for everything. But yeah, train them to not kill all the time is a good idea. Our previous knife attacker that was missed by most media got shot in the leg and then tased. At least now we can question him.
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May 29 2018 07:56am
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Ah okey. well not blame them for everything. But yeah, train them to not kill all the time is a good idea. Our previous knife attacker that was missed by most media got shot in the leg and then tased. At least now we can question him.



See now there ya go. You're a civilian telling cops (who do this stuff for a living) how they should train their people.
Yeah, it's great if disabling is an option.

But that's the rub. We aren't there at the scene. We just read about this shyt on the internet.

Shot in the leg then tased, might be a good idea, unless the guy was Dwayne Johnson on PCP, or similar. My point is, that every arrest is a judgement call.
Police are just people, trying to do a very difficult job as best as they can.

No, they aren't ALL perfect, and they don't ALL make the perfect decisions. But if all the non-cop folks keep removing them from their job because of a mistake, pretty soon you won't have any cops.
Then... who ya gonna call?
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May 29 2018 07:58am
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Ah okey. well not blame them for everything. But yeah, train them to not kill all the time is a good idea. Our previous knife attacker that was missed by most media got shot in the leg and then tased. At least now we can question him.



Taking the time to aim for a leg or to use a taser is just putting more people at risk.
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May 29 2018 07:59am
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Taking the time to aim for a leg or to use a taser is just putting more people at risk.




Sometimes you have the time and the ability to do that. Sometimes you don't. Every arrest or even attempt to gain ID or question, is a judgement call.


/e I'm not saying we should bring back the Spanish Inquisition. But all police are watched carefully by an Internal oversight group. Internal Affairs, I believe.
They are folks who WERE cops, and proved themselves to be good cops, and because they were cops, understand about these... "judgement calls".


This post was edited by Ghot on May 29 2018 08:03am
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No, they aren't ALL perfect, and they don't ALL make the perfect decisions. But if all the non-cop folks keep removing them from their job because of a mistake, pretty soon you won't have any cops.
Then... who ya gonna call?


The ones that only shoot to kill in a fire fight ?

Quote (Chainsaw47 @ May 29 2018 02:58pm)
Taking the time to aim for a leg or to use a taser is just putting more people at risk.

That was a knife incident. Not many ppl have guns here, giving the police more time and chances.

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The ones that only shoot to kill in a fire fight ?


That was a knife incident. Not many ppl have guns here, giving the police more time and chances.



Maybe if the assailant is standing still, 30 feet away... If someone is coming towards you running with a knife, aiming for a leg or using a taser is suicide.

This post was edited by Chainsaw47 on May 29 2018 08:05am
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Quote (Knoppie @ May 29 2018 09:50am)
But yeah, train them to not kill all the time is a good idea.



Police ARE trained NOT to kill except as a last resort. It's still a judgement call.



/e Everyone needs to watch this movie....

Lethal Weapon (1987)

I can still hear Danny Glover saying: "See, we shoot them in the leg, then we get to question them."

In this case, the guy they shot in the leg, still had a hidden gun, and ofc tried to kill Danny Glover and Mel Gibson ( the two cops).

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Quote (Chainsaw47 @ May 29 2018 03:04pm)
Maybe if the assailant is standing still, 30 feet away... If someone is coming towards you running with a knife, aiming for a leg or using a taser is suicide.


Well that's what police are trained for here. They've got ~ 2 secs to make the shot from 10 meters away, should be enough imo. doesn't seem to go wrong here. Tasing is a bit different.. It got used because the incapacitated killer refused to drop the knife.
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