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May 8 2018 12:56pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 8 2018 12:52pm)
Trump hasn't shied


i was going to read the rest but got hung up on how weird it is to change a y to ie just based on tense. im gonna go back to my book
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i was going to read the rest but got hung up on how weird it is to change a y to ie just based on tense. im gonna go back to my book


english is objectively the second worst language on the planet, after malbolge
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Said he’s going to sanction any country that helps Iran. What.
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Said he’s going to sanction any country that helps Iran. What.


he threw in a critical 'maybe'
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Quote (Mastersam93 @ May 8 2018 02:58pm)
Said he’s going to sanction any country that helps Iran. What.


TIL funding legitimate terrorism is a good thing
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May 8 2018 01:03pm
The fact that Obama and Kerry are now negotiating with known terror sponsors against American interests tells you everything you need to know about what is going on in Iran.
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lol there's a word i haven't heard in forever. prob highschool programming class.
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May 8 2018 01:09pm
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A deal where Iran get's advance notice of visits, and where military sites are off limits. Kerry's name, trashed as it was, is forever soiled. He belongs in jail for incompetence.

I don't support war, but if Iran wants to invite it's own annihilation, let them have at it.



Oh please, Rouhani is a puppet. He has no independent authority, and neither did Ahmadinejad (aside from lining pockets). The Ayatollah controls Iran, and will until the system he rules crumbles.


Regardless of Rouhani's puppetry status, Iran has made concessions in their dealings. It is only fair that we do the same. I know that doesn't rub the right way with the more Machiavellian Republicans, but you kinda have to if you want to avoid another pointless war in the ME.

It isn't like Iran is an actual threat to the USA. They might beef with Israel some, but Israel's had it coming for quite some time now. Israel does deserve one lesson in humility. There are very few who could even mount a threat to the US, and most of them are tooo dependent on the US or allied with them.
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May 8 2018 01:13pm
Garbage move from a garbage president.

So it's not really surprising.



He'll do what every other Republican does, fuck everything up and let the Democrats clean it up when the public remembers why they threw Republicans out of office in the first place.

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Regardless of Rouhani's puppetry status, Iran has made concessions in their dealings. It is only fair that we do the same. I know that doesn't rub the right way with the more Machiavellian Republicans, but you kinda have to if you want to avoid another pointless war in the ME.

It isn't like Iran is an actual threat to the USA. They might beef with Israel some, but Israel's had it coming for quite some time now. Israel does deserve one lesson in humility. There are very few who could even mount a threat to the US, and most of them are tooo dependent on the US or allied with them.


what are those concessions?
Iran was under threat of getting blown to smithereens if it pursued its nuclear development. Under the deal it could rapidly assemble a bomb after 2025 with a decade of preparation to set up the infrastructure to create the facilities and enrichment they weren't allowed. In exchange, we stopped pooping on their oil industry and as a result their elites and theocrats/oligarchs are turning into real counterparts to the saudi princes. Thats besides the cash we flew them.

From Iran's perspective, pursuing their nuclear agenda prior to 2015 was a treacherous path. They knew that Israel hung over them like a sword of damocles. Mossad was all too willing to assassinate scientists and America would bugger their infrastructure with stuxnet and everyone was on the edge of outright bombing Iran. They didn't have the protection of a neighboring China to enable their safety like the DPRK did. But with the Iran Deal, they've essentially been given a safe path to a nuclear weapon, just after a decade of delay. Thats all Obama really bought, a few years. They weren't allowed to enrich weapons grade uranium or manufacture the components, but they were allowed to make the infrastructure that would let them rapidly enrich uranium, make the detonators, and as Trump pointed out- totally free to pursue missile tech. What would happen when 2025 rolls around? We'd have a nuclear Iran anyway, and a nuclear Saudi Arabia, and soon a nuclear Qatar and nuclear UAE.

For Iran it was really kind of a win-win. They got to hoard ridiculous amounts of money and got to pursue their long term goals of nuclear development to ensure their existence and emergence as a world power. All by kicking the can down the road a few years.
Is a return to uncertainty better than a bad certainty?
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