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Apr 15 2018 07:42pm
Quote (tonerbond @ Apr 15 2018 06:52pm)
You can have open immigration or welfare programs, but not both
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You mean i can't just walk into a country and be a leach?

You're imposing on my rights.
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Apr 15 2018 08:12pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 15 2018 05:06pm)
Our deficit started well before 2010. :huh:

Its got a huge surplus built up to help ride this out, at least it did until republicans started dipping into it to fund illegal wars.


Dipping into the surplus started under the LBJ administration to pay for the "Great" Society programs.

Quote (Ghot @ Apr 15 2018 05:14pm)
Social Security is paid for by every person that works, in the US. Each person, more or less, pays his own future Social Security, out of each paycheck.
This system worked fine, right up until the US govt. started loaning themselves some money from the SS fund. Then didn't pay it back.

Medicare Part A comes with Social Security, Part B, C, D etc., are payed for by the SS recipient.

Yes, the amount of folks on SS grows exponentially, but so does the amount of folks paying INTO SS all their working lives. All that has to happen to get SS back on track, is for the govt. to pay back what they took from SS. Well, and people that didn't work all their lives in the US and pay into SS, shouldn't get it.
If these two things are done, SS works fine.


SS has always been pay-as-you-go, so when the ratios of workers to retirees keeps falling (when enacted, there were 12 to 1, today there are less than 3 to 1), the program itself becomes the problem.

This post was edited by Santara on Apr 15 2018 08:15pm
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Apr 15 2018 08:28pm
don't forget roads

people think they're entitled to fucking roads
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Apr 15 2018 09:03pm
The rich think they are entitled to everything.
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Apr 15 2018 09:05pm
Only solution is to limit benefits. It would also help greatly if we slowly transitioned to a fully funded system. Like Santa mentioned we’re in a pay-as-you-go scheme currently. Essentially the work force today is paying for the SS receipients with the promise they will get the same treatment when old. In a fully funded system instead that money that’s being currently collected would be invested, compounded, and much bigger savings compared to our pay-as-you-go system.
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Apr 15 2018 09:55pm
I think the real point that people fail to account for is the true costs of effective medicine. The longer people live, the greater their burden on society. As Santara points out, its only a sustainable model with a pyramid of a healthy worker:retiree ratio. Social security worked better when the workers toiled in coil mines until most of them were dead and the few that survived could be taken care of. It doesn't work when we're keep geriatrics hooked up to machines taking their social security and medicaid checks for eternity, especially not when raising the retirement age is political suicide.
The best thing we could do as a society is bring down the costs of living and lower the benefits to match it.

$10 says that by 2040 china will replace its fleet of mobile execution vans with euthanasia vans

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 15 2018 09:57pm
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Apr 15 2018 10:48pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 15 2018 11:55pm)
I think the real point that people fail to account for is the true costs of effective medicine. The longer people live, the greater their burden on society. As Santara points out, its only a sustainable model with a pyramid of a healthy worker:retiree ratio. Social security worked better when the workers toiled in coil mines until most of them were dead and the few that survived could be taken care of. It doesn't work when we're keep geriatrics hooked up to machines taking their social security and medicaid checks for eternity, especially not when raising the retirement age is political suicide.
The best thing we could do as a society is bring down the costs of living and lower the benefits to match it.

$10 says that by 2040 china will replace its fleet of mobile execution vans with euthanasia vans


Medicare is the one thing raising the costs...
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Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 15 2018 06:28pm)
don't forget roads

people think they're entitled to fucking roads



Back to caravan wagons imo, its the only way we can have anarcho capitalist paradise
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Apr 16 2018 03:11am
Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 15 2018 08:28pm)
don't forget roads

people think they're entitled to fucking roads


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin


I don't believe one should sacrifice any freedom in favor of state-maintained roads. Toll roads and community-use roads (pay monthly/one-time fee for continued use) fills the gaps.
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Apr 16 2018 03:26am
1. Raise state retirement age
2. Reduce extortionate public sector pensions that pay out 5x a private sector pension on average
3. Encourage young skilled immigration
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