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Something happened in 1980-ish, so that California went from being always in the black, to always in the red. Pretty much hasn't changed since.


/e Maybe it was the mid 80's, probably Feinstein or Jerry Brown.



You have no idea what you're even talking about. That's the opposite of reality. Brown is one of the most fiscally disciplined governors in the country.
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You have no idea what you're even talking about. That's the opposite of reality. Brown is one of the most fiscally disciplined governors in the country.




I was living in Cali at the time.
I don't remember what caused it, but I know that sometime between 1979 and 1985 Cali went from being in the black every year, to being in the red every year.
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California is the strongest state in the nation and were it an independent nation would be one of the most powerful in the world. It is the global center of technology and computer science and the most influential geographical area in the world.
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Apr 9 2018 01:09pm
poor fabio, hearing him it look like he lost 3/4 of his brain in the process
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California is the strongest state in the nation and were it an independent nation would be one of the most powerful in the world. It is the global center of technology and computer science and the most influential geographical area in the world.


California isn't the strongest state in the nation by a long shot. Wealth isn't strength; and even so, while it may be the wealthiest nominally, that's only by virtue of its high population. Other states have stronger economies per capita and more industry per resident.

While crowned as being very diverse, California tends towards high levels of segregation in terms of race, wealth, culture, and power. Intuitively, segregation does not make a community strong, but rather, it makes it fragmented and unstable.

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California is the strongest state in the nation and were it an independent nation would be one of the most powerful in the world. It is the global center of technology and computer science and the most influential geographical area in the world.


California has lax patent laws. It wont stop your state from going bankrupt
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California isn't the strongest state in the nation by a long shot. Wealth isn't strength; and even so, while it may be the wealthiest nominally, that's only by virtue of its high population. Other states have stronger economies per capita and more industry per resident.

While crowned as being very diverse, California tends towards high levels of segregation in terms of race, wealth, culture, and power. Intuitively, segregation does not make a community strong, but rather, it makes it fragmented and unstable.



They are being propped up by our federal tax contributions. Red states would dry up without blue state welfare assistance.

Also, I think it's funny that, if you listen to stupid Republicans who have never been here, you'd think California is some broke, desolate wasteland of crime. In reality, the climate is perfect, the people are friendly, the economy is booming, and the doom and gloom scenarios pushed by ignorants are nowhere to be found in reality.

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Apr 10 2018 10:36am
anyone named fabio is right by default
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They are being propped up by our federal tax contributions. Red states would dry up without blue state welfare assistance.

Also, I think it's funny that, if you listen to stupid Republicans who have never been here, you'd think California is some broke, desolate wasteland of crime. In reality, the climate is perfect, the people are friendly, the economy is booming, and the doom and gloom scenarios pushed by ignorants are nowhere to be found in reality.




As far as your federal contribution claim goes. Lets dissect this map. Rural states with low populations and large amounts of federal land are going to get more federal money per capita. That's not the fault of the residents.

In terms of political affiliation, Texas and Arkansas get back less than $0.75 on the dollar and are very conservative. While Hawaii, Maine, and Vermont are very liberal states that get disproportionate funding (>$2.25 for every dollar contributed).

Political affiliation doesn't have anything to do with this map. Also, southeastern states have high poor populations, both in terms of the white (more conservative) and black (more liberal) voters there. Lots of trailer parks and such in these states, little industry.





The states that get the least back are Kansas, New Jersey, and Maryland. Not necessarily liberal bastions.

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