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Mar 9 2018 03:49am
Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Mar 2018 01:47)
Being immune to the effect of amp

what does it mean ? it means that you would take the same dmg with or without amp

which does only happens if you have 150% DR ( 50% Effective DR in both cases) note that it's not reachable imo ( crainte-vomir 10% + Coa 31% + shaft 38% + SS 43% + string 15% = 137%DR)

ofc the virgin is wrong lmao. It is impossible in practice to be immune to the effect of amp :)


Yeah, I see your point that you need to be equipped with 150%DR in order to be immune to amp dmg effects at all times (ofc not possible). My point was just that you need to add +100%DR in order to fully negate the effects of amp in any given scenario. If you start with 50%DR, get amped to -50% DR... then indeed if you add +100%DR you are exactly back where you started, no ill effects. Start at 0%, amped to -100%, add +100%DR and you again have completely negated the effects of amp. So I still don't really know. Yes, you need to be wearing 150% DR in order to IDGAF about amp damage ever. But it does not take 150% DR to negate the effects of amp, it takes 100%. I suppose your scenario is more akin to being "immune" to amp, and my scenario is more about negating its effects. I guess those are different things. So I guess what I'm understanding is, that if we want to get super technical about it, you can still make fun of marieusz over it (but hopefully not me :cry: )
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What about Fade?
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Quote (Belarathon @ Mar 9 2018 10:49am)
Yeah, I see your point that you need to be equipped with 150%DR in order to be immune to amp dmg effects at all times (ofc not possible). My point was just that you need to add +100%DR in order to fully negate the effects of amp in any given scenario. If you start with 50%DR, get amped to -50% DR... then indeed if you add +100%DR you are exactly back where you started, no ill effects. Start at 0%, amped to -100%, add +100%DR and you again have completely negated the effects of amp. So I still don't really know. Yes, you need to be wearing 150% DR in order to IDGAF about amp damage ever. But it does not take 150% DR to negate the effects of amp, it takes 100%. I suppose your scenario is more akin to being "immune" to amp, and my scenario is more about negating its effects. I guess those are different things. So I guess what I'm understanding is, that if we want to get super technical about it, you can still make fun of marieusz over it (but hopefully not me :cry: )


It's just the same. If you want to be immune aka not taking more dmg under amp, you will need 150%DR. not 149 not 100.
If you play 1.09 you will need 175%DR to neglect amp effect since 75%DR was the limit at that time.

Quote (bonnerf2 @ Mar 9 2018 11:07am)
What about Fade?


Indeed

This post was edited by Melatonina on Mar 9 2018 04:44am
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Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Mar 2018 03:42)
It's just the same. If you want to be immune aka not taking more dmg under amp, you will need 150%DR. not 149 not 100.
If you play 1.09 you will need 175%DR to neglect amp effect since 75%DR was the limit at that time.



Indeed


If you say so, I guess I'm just too thick to wrap my head around it, because I still see my example as being correct and that we are not talking about the same thing.

Just so I can be fully clear about my thoughts, this is the way that I have been looking at it... can you please tell me where it is incorrect?

Idea: You need to put on 100% additional DR in order to negate the effects of amplify damage curse
Note: Amplify damage curse gives -100% DR.

Examples (ignoring pvp penalty for simplicity):

0% DR example
-You have 0% DR. You get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 1000 damage.
-You have 0% DR. You are cursed with the Amplify Damage curse. You now have -100% DR and you get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 2000 damage.
-You have 0% DR, but you are still amped, so you effectively still have -100% DR. You add +100% DR. You now have 0% DR again (while amped). You get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 1000 damage.
Result: Adding 100% DR has completely negated the effects of amp dmg curse.

50% DR example
-You have 50% DR. You get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 500 damage.
-You have 50% DR. You are cursed with the Amplify Damage curse. You now have -50% DR and you get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 1500 damage (tripled from no amp in this case)
-You have 50% DR, but you are still amped, so you effectively still have -50% DR. You add +100% DR. You now have 50% DR again (while amped). Yo get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 500 damage.
Result: Adding 100% DR has completely negated the effects of amp dmg curse.

This post was edited by Belarathon on Mar 9 2018 05:24am
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Mar 9 2018 06:41am
Quote (Belarathon @ Mar 9 2018 12:04pm)
If you say so, I guess I'm just too thick to wrap my head around it, because I still see my example as being correct and that we are not talking about the same thing.

Just so I can be fully clear about my thoughts, this is the way that I have been looking at it... can you please tell me where it is incorrect?

Idea: You need to put on 100% additional DR in order to negate the effects of amplify damage curse
Note: Amplify damage curse gives -100% DR.

Examples (ignoring pvp penalty for simplicity):

0% DR example
-You have 0% DR. You get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 1000 damage.
-You have 0% DR. You are cursed with the Amplify Damage curse. You now have -100% DR and you get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 2000 damage.
-You have 0% DR, but you are still amped, so you effectively still have -100% DR. You add +100% DR. You now have 0% DR again (while amped). You get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 1000 damage.
Result: Adding 100% DR has completely negated the effects of amp dmg curse.

50% DR example
-You have 50% DR. You get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 500 damage.
-You have 50% DR. You are cursed with the Amplify Damage curse. You now have -50% DR and you get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 1500 damage (tripled from no amp in this case)
-You have 50% DR, but you are still amped, so you effectively still have -50% DR. You add +100% DR. You now have 50% DR again (while amped). Yo get hit with 1000 physical damage. You take 500 damage.
Result: Adding 100% DR has completely negated the effects of amp dmg curse.


:D

The error is that you add DR% while being still amped. Marieusz said that having 100% DR ( and not adding) will neglect amp effect, which was incofuckin-rekt.
As I said, if you want to neglect amp effect aka taking the same dmg before./after amp, you will need to equip 150%DR ..

This post was edited by Melatonina on Mar 9 2018 06:43am
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Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Mar 2018 05:41)
:D

The error is that you add DR% while being still amped. Marieusz said that having 100% DR ( and not adding) will neglect amp effect, which was incofuckin-rekt.
As I said, if you want to neglect amp effect aka taking the same dmg before./after amp, you will need to equip 150%DR ..


I agree with your statement but again believe we are discussing different things. Negate does not mean neglect. Negate does not mean immune. From the start, we had different points. Like I said, I think you could still technically call out mariuesz on an error made based on the grammar used.
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Mar 9 2018 07:02am
Quote (Belarathon @ Mar 9 2018 10:58am)
I agree with your statement but again believe we are discussing different things. Negate does not mean neglect. Negate does not mean immune. From the start, we had different points. Like I said, I think you could still technically call out mariuesz on an error made based on the grammar used.

Melatonina doesn't know how to read properly

Quote (Melatonina @ Mar 9 2018 10:41am)
:D

The error is that you add DR% while being still amped. Marieusz said that having 100% DR ( and not adding) will neglect amp effect, which was incofuckin-rekt.
As I said, if you want to neglect amp effect aka taking the same dmg before./after amp, you will need to equip 150%DR ..

No I didn't

Here is the question from the op

Quote (Alone @ Mar 8 2018 02:47pm)
When monsters cast amp on you, what amp level is it most often? Whats the max level of amp they cast?
Want to see if its worth stacking dr and if so, how much would be needed depending on amp lvl.

The answer is 100%, he clearly asked how much he needs to stack.

If you have, for example, 75% physical resistance from Storm and Fade, then you are already 25% stacked and need 75% more, regardless, you need 100% physical resistance to counteract Amplify Damage.

Quote (Melatonina @ Mar 9 2018 06:47am)
Being immune to the effect of amp

which does only happens if you have 150% DR ( 50% Effective DR in both cases) note that it's not reachable imo ( crainte-vomir 10% + Coa 31% + shaft 38% + SS 43% + string 15% = 137%DR)

Incorrect. In your attempt to look smart you have embarrassed yourself lol

bump

This post was edited by Marieusz on Mar 9 2018 07:14am
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Mar 9 2018 07:04am
How much dr is needed to counteract a Bone Shield?

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Mar 9 2018 07:27am
LOL nice try virgin but no, having 100%DR does not negate the effect of amp.
100%dr does not negate amp effect when you have 50% intial DR. you will take 2x more dmg. deal with it
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