Donald Trump in 2013:
"Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top, I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.When they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington"

Chuck Schumer in 2013:

Ah yep i remember the 2013 one, but i didnt expected that would lead to a collapse; very nice, thanks !

It never would to be honest. The govt would have to be shut down for months on end for it to have that much effect.

Limp half assed temp fix.

Gov shutdown also isnt bad. Obama shut down parks on purpose to pretend that it was bad.



Good ol cryin chuck


This post was edited by EndlessSky on Jan 20 2018 07:38am

Mitch McConnell is a joke.

it's really a bad joke that republicans are crying crocodile tears over CHIP and DACA, claiming democrats don't care about children and dreamers, when in reality both could EASILY be resolved with overwhelming majorities in clean solutions. same with the obstruction narrative, the hypocrisy is reaching 'unpresidented' levels...

so give the democrats everything they want and the republicans get nothing in return? sounds like good negotiating
CHIP and DACA don't have a majority support in the republican party if they aren't tied to immigration reform. And none of the democrats demands are directly related to the budget measure. It is the democrats holding the government hostage to get those programs, just like how the republicans held the government hostage in 2013, though at least then they could claim fiscal responsibility was a directly related issue.

Being reasonable, the democrats are about 80% responsible for the shutdown, the republicans about 20%, but as someone more eloquent than me put it- if you have to explain, you're losing. And I doubt the reality will be reflected in the perceptions. As long as the democrats point to the republicans as being perceived as the anti-government party who is in 'control' of the government, there's a good chance Trump will take the lions share of the blame. But then it becomes a question of how the shutdown will be resolved, and that favors the republicans.

Yeah it's definitely the democrats fault when they have no majority in any branch of government.

Maybe the representatives of ours could be motivated to actually do their job if they would stop being paid if the government shuts down.

Mitch is so weak and option 1 is the only thing he can pull off.

The current offer is: give the Republicans all they want, and give the Democrats nothing. That is the result of bad negotiating.

Indeed, the step forward is to give Democrats something extra and to give Republicans nothing (or less) extra. As long as this does not happen, it is not a compromise and it should not pass the vote.