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Jan 19 2018 05:00am
Quote (Leevee @ Jan 19 2018 04:54am)
This always makes me wonder why people would do jobs that they have conscientious objections with in the first place.


I mean, I get some of it. Like not wanting to do abortions.

The solution to that is not to put yourself in a place to need to do an abortion. Not to demand everybody work around you. There are like a hundred specialties you can choose from.

It's not like you're at a grocery store and don't want to handle pork. People's lives are potentially on the line....

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Jan 19 2018 05:56am
This has nothing to do with religion and has to do with social control by religious authorities through government.

Don't see how this protects any individual from at will employment or right to work.

If you can't be ethical due to personal feelings then avoid healthcare.

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Jan 19 2018 06:10am
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This has nothing to do with religion and has to do with social control by religious authorities through government.

Don't see how this protects any individual from at will employment or right to work.

If you can't be ethical due to personal feelings then avoid healthcare.


how do you know this to be true?
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Jan 19 2018 06:16am
Quote (Skinned @ Jan 19 2018 11:56am)
This has nothing to do with religion and has to do with social control by religious authorities through government.

Don't see how this protects any individual from at will employment or right to work.

If you can't be ethical due to personal feelings then avoid healthcare.


I agree with this. It also opens up slippery slopes. What if an Islamic practitioner does not want to treat people of the opposite sex? What if a religious person sees certain diseases as "God's will" and refuses to treat them? These beliefs exist in religious communities and by opening up the medical world to this it opens up an entire can of worms.

I mean, male circumcision is a controversial subject ethically, to say the least, but is still performed by many medical professionals in the USA.

And a practicioner who has objections to abortion can just choose to not work in a clinic that performs them. Afaik they're not performed in hospitals without serious danger to the well-being of the mother.
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Jan 19 2018 06:42am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 19 Jan 2018 04:14)
Freedom of religion in the US- 1
People using the federal bludgeon to force religious people and organizations to perform acts against the workers/institutions conscience or religion-0

Thank you senior Trump.




https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-religion/u-s-government-to-shield-health-workers-under-religious-freedom-idUSKBN1F7262


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Jan 19 2018 06:44am
The transgender part confused me at first, but it must mean participating in sex-change operations as well as giving these people hormone therapy.

Of course the left calls this authoritarian, cause forcing someone to violate their religious conscience is real freedom, maaaaan.

Good job Trump, I know you're not a Christian, but at least you're pandering to us.

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The transgender part confused me at first, but it must mean participating in sex-change operations as well as giving these people hormone therapy.

Of course the left calls this authoritarian, cause forcing someone to violate their religious conscience is real freedom, maaaaan.

Good job Trump, I know you're not a Christian, but at least you're pandering to us.


If their religious conscience is that important they can find another job.
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Jan 19 2018 07:53am
Quote (balrog66 @ Jan 19 2018 04:16am)
I agree with this. It also opens up slippery slopes. What if an Islamic practitioner does not want to treat people of the opposite sex? What if a religious person sees certain diseases as "God's will" and refuses to treat them? These beliefs exist in religious communities and by opening up the medical world to this it opens up an entire can of worms.

I mean, male circumcision is a controversial subject ethically, to say the least, but is still performed by many medical professionals in the USA.

And a practicioner who has objections to abortion can just choose to not work in a clinic that performs them. Afaik they're not performed in hospitals without serious danger to the well-being of the mother.


then people can go to a different doctor, people should have the freedom refuse work for any reason they want
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Jan 19 2018 08:03am
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 19 2018 01:53pm)
then people can go to a different doctor, people should have the freedom refuse work for any reason they want


It's called quitting your job right?

Your employer isn't going to keep paying if you literally aren't working.
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Jan 19 2018 08:11am
Quote (balrog66 @ Jan 19 2018 06:03am)
It's called quitting your job right?

Your employer isn't going to keep paying if you literally aren't working.


that's for the employer and employee to decide, not the government.
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