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Jan 17 2018 08:02am
So I am pretty pro transgender and generally am understanding and fine with the rhetoric of sex being biological and gender being a social phenomomen given to certain biological characteristics.

But this notion of transgender women (MtF) competing in sports and athletics even though their biological sex is male and they grew up producing testosterone and the fact their biological sex is going to make them faster/stronger and they will have a larger bone density. And even if someone is post op and has transitioned , there will still be effects that can't really be done away.

There's also a more controversial notion that there could be mental/psychoactive differences as well but these don't completely matter as much.

This is the type of stuff I am talking about.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/commonwealth-games-2018-backlash-over-new-zealand-transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbard-20171124-gzsgdq.html

There's also an MMA fighter named Fallon Fox who is biologically male and this is one that is pretty absurd to me even more so since it's a combat sport.

I can get that it must suck if someone will feel frustrated if they feel they are a woman but when you are biologically a male and competing against 99.99% biological females , there is a clear potential huge competitive advantage because there is a clear difference between the sexes physically , most notable in Strength/Power/Explosiveness/Speed. The only sport where men and women are mostly become on an even playing field is endurance marathon running and maybe a few others.
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Jan 17 2018 08:25am
it's all part of being tolerant of others

at the end of the show, just do a search & replace for her/his name from the female body list records, and change to male

done

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Jan 17 2018 08:38am
There's cheaters or abusers, no doubt about it.
The debate is already handled by sport committees, they control testosterone and ban people regularly.
Else we fall into dick spitting, not the best way...
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Jan 17 2018 08:40am
this bullshit is destroying the competition for normal athletes

as much as i do not support this transgender stuff, which is a psychological issue that should not be endorsed, let them have their own transgender competition for them to participate

and let regular athletes do their thing

not to mention that pissing off others is not exactly helpful to get more tolerance for transgender people
biological males have no business in a competition for women, its that simple

This post was edited by ampoo on Jan 17 2018 08:41am
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Jan 17 2018 09:08am
Everything is stupid.

This is stupid.
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Jan 17 2018 12:35pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 17 2018 09:38am)
There's cheaters or abusers, no doubt about it.
The debate is already handled by sport committees, they control testosterone and ban people regularly.
Else we fall into dick spitting, not the best way...


I'm not an expert my any means, but aren't there other significant differences besides just testosterone? Wouldn't it be kind of a poor metric to go by on its own?
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Jan 17 2018 12:38pm
I hope they keep allowing transgenders and destroying womens' sports leagues. The more damage it does and harm it causes to women's stuff, the closer we'll be to confronting the corrosive impacts of identity politics on a larger scale.
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Jan 17 2018 01:02pm
Mtf transsexuals should not be competing against women. Especially if they went through a male puberty. There are physiological differences that do give an unfair advantage.

Trans people should not be excluded from sport however. I don't know what the solution is tbh.

That's why it's important to have debate over these things rather than hurling insults at eachother. We're living in a culture of increasingly divided political views. Both sides' extreme fringes are gaining power. So much so that they seem to overtake the moderates. At least in terms of public discourse.

This post was edited by Scaly on Jan 17 2018 01:13pm
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Jan 17 2018 01:11pm
Quote (Scaly @ Jan 18 2018 05:02am)
Mtf transsexuals should not be competing against women. Especially if they went through a male puberty. There are physiological differences that do give an unfair advantage.

Trans people should not be excluded from sport however.I don't know what the solution is tbh.


pretty obvious, a mtf division

This post was edited by Condemn on Jan 17 2018 01:17pm
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Jan 17 2018 01:12pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 17 2018 09:38am)
There's cheaters or abusers, no doubt about it.
The debate is already handled by sport committees, they control testosterone and ban people regularly.
Else we fall into dick spitting, not the best way...


Avoiding the dick splitting, always a must
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