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Nov 29 2017 11:58am
Quote (thesnipa @ 29 Nov 2017 18:45)
not gonna lie that's the best shot frenchy's handed out all year.


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Nov 29 2017 12:03pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Nov 29 2017 11:23am)
It sets a dangerous precedent where deviation from the government's narrative true or not can put you in jail

Imagine if say Japan started throwing japanese historians in prison for bringing up the nanking massacre


Nah, this is pretty far away from that scenario.

You can make a slippery slope for any action, this is far away from the slope.
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Nov 29 2017 12:08pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 29 2017 12:03pm)
Nah, this is pretty far away from that scenario.

You can make a slippery slope for any action, this is far away from the slope.


I don't think the will of the people is a good justification for this action. Especially as Holocaust denial is closer to an african tribe's taboo for witchcraft than actual intellectual debate. No one is allowed to question anything from the top down without being shouted down. I mean, i remember a time when the range of deaths was ALWAYS listed in literature based on the many estimates. In today's climate post a number under 6 million and just wait for the zealots to call you a bigot. We can call this an assessment of "german values" but it isn't, its a corner the world shamed them into post WW2. In some senses rightfully so, but they've been influenced to their current position and many of their laws surrounding nazis, Holocaust, the name Hitler are just overreactions to try and rejoin the civilized world.
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Nov 29 2017 12:38pm
always great to see our courts busy sending a 89 year old nutjob to prison, while actual criminals that are hurting people, stealing, robbing and destroying property are roaming our streets
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Nov 29 2017 12:47pm
Idk, going to jail for having a certain belief, regardless of how unpopular or down right retarded, generally seems like a bad idea.
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Nov 29 2017 12:49pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 29 2017 10:20am)
what's the point of being a Nazi AND Holocaust denier? I thought people were only nazis so they could make edgelord comments about Jews ovens.


You don't have to be a Nazi to use grandpa's favorite recipe.
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Nov 29 2017 12:55pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Nov 29 2017 12:49pm)
You don't have to be a Nazi to use grandpa's favorite recipe.


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Quote (IgoSoHard @ Nov 29 2017 12:47pm)
Idk, going to jail for having a certain belief, regardless of how unpopular or down right retarded, generally seems like a bad idea.


but if we could give 10% warn for believing in the flat earth?

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Nov 29 2017 01:17pm
This seems about right considering you have some liberal/progressive societies/movements to equate that speech can be contrived as the same as real violence.

So the jump to "thought crimes" or crimes for having views that are wrong or opinions that are distasteful is an easy jump to make.

I find myself becoming more and more cynical even though I don't like to be when I look at the current political climate. It's always been in some ways driven by populism and demonization of your opposition. Or to some degree social control through liberal or conservative spectrum's but social media and the way people are developing their ideology now just results in societies in which you have left end of the spectrum vs the right continue pulling further and further away like a rubber band and eventually the band will breaks coming back on everyone.

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Nov 29 2017 01:18pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 29 Nov 2017 17:03)
I'm of the opinion that even nazi's ought to have rights as deplorable a lot as they may be. I don't see how this woman spreading propaganda that the holocaust never happened can be worse than people spreading nonsense about the earth being 6000 years old, vaccines causing autism or anti-scientific nonsense about climate change, tobacco etc. in general.

http://www.dw.com/en/nazi-grandma-loses-appeal-case-sentenced-to-14-months-in-prison-for-holocaust-denial/a-41565036


It isn't worse. They should all be jailed.
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