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#21
Nov 23 2017 01:32am
Quote (FroggyG @ 23 Nov 2017 03:29)
Yes. Because of what I just said.

Split pushing is one of the easiest playstyles in the game to master. That's why there are so many people who can get challenger with low tier picks like Tryndamere.

You just have to know your matchups.


i mean claiming you need to know matchups kinda contradicts your criticism of him earlier which nulls his chances of challenger right?
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Nov 23 2017 01:34am
Quote (ChrisKz @ Nov 23 2017 01:32am)
i mean claiming you need to know matchups kinda contradicts your criticism of him earlier which nulls his chances of challenger right?


That's why he's Diamond 4 now.

Other people got better and he stayed the same. He doesn't know the matchups better than his opponents anymore.

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Nov 23 2017 01:52am
Quote (MrDuDu @ Nov 23 2017 01:33am)
There are silver teemos that would've blasted him out of lane playing like that. Does that mean they're better players than him? No, but he played that start as poorly as possible and was too busy raging about how broken of a champion cass is instead of playing the rest of lane phase.




E start is usually fine on jax, in that situation it's useful for mitigating early poke so u can pick up a minion or 2 while waiting for the wave to push. The pathing and putting cass between him and his turret was the autistic part

in terms of rank hashinshin has been challenger before, last I checked he was mid diamond last season but that was like mid season. He's actually a damn good jax 1 trick but he's famous for doing dumb shit like demonstrated in the first 10 seconds of lane in this video then raging over it. There are some high elo jgers that have funny videos of camping him cuz they know how easy it is to tilt him.


I'm really confused by your statement on the E start. What damage is he mitigating early against cass? the 30 damage auto attacks? meanwhile he gets chased out with her 100 dmg per Q she lands on him?

I would agree most lanes for him E start is essential, but in this lane where he got out of position and still had the option of what to level up, i don't think anyone would agree that he shouldnt have taken Q there to get the fuck out of dodge and remain with around 70% of his HP.
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Nov 23 2017 02:11am
I think it's a good video of why no one wants hashinshin in their games (specifically on their team)...... not only that but a giant question mark of how this player even somehow attains high elo each season in the first place :/
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Nov 23 2017 02:14am
Quote (Mina @ Nov 23 2017 02:11am)
I think it's a good video of why no one wants hashinshin in their games (specifically on their team)...... not only that but a giant question mark of how this player even somehow attains high elo each season in the first place :/


Split pushing OP strat
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Nov 23 2017 02:17am
Quote (FroggyG @ Nov 23 2017 02:14am)
Split pushing OP strat


I suppose so, although normally that never even works in solo q. His overall style is just going over aggro and usually hes free kills for any jungler cause once he dies once from overextending he dies at least 5 more times, not only that his mentality is so bad :/

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Nov 23 2017 02:19am
Quote (Mina @ Nov 23 2017 02:17am)
I suppose so, although normally that never even works in solo q. His overall style is just going over aggro and usually hes free kills for any jungler cause once he dies once from overextending he dies at least 5 more times, not only that his mentality is so bad :/


It works very well from bronze to challenger and has since forever.

Look through challenger players you'll see plenty of split pushers in their champ pools

For me personally it's the easiest way to carry a game.

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Nov 23 2017 02:24am
Quote (FroggyG @ Nov 23 2017 02:19am)
It works very well from bronze to challenger and has since forever.

Look through challenger players you'll see plenty of split pushers in their champ pools


Split pushing does nothing if your team doesn't use it properly and consistently engages 4v5 and dies over and over...... and don't tell me that doesn't happen in solo q because if you do then you haven't spent much time climbing accounts in solo q at all.

You could argue that most people in solo q don't even know how to handle a completely perfectly executed split push which holds some truth but at that same time hardly ever does that actually happen.
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Nov 23 2017 02:27am
Quote (Mina @ Nov 23 2017 02:24am)
Split pushing does nothing if your team doesn't use it properly and consistently engages 4v5 and dies over and over...... and don't tell me that doesn't happen in solo q because if you do then you haven't spent much time climbing accounts in solo q at all.

You could argue that most people in solo q don't even know how to handle a completely perfectly executed split push which holds some truth but at that same time hardly ever does that actually happen.


You're supposed to be pulling people to your lane. You put pressure on the lane before their team is even in a position to force a 5v4. By the time they group for their 5v4 you should already have the tower if they're just ignoring you.

If they engage 5v4 and don't wipe your team mates you basically win the game right there.

A lot of people just don't do split pushing correctly. They don't have the amount of lane pressure you need to be effective.

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Nov 23 2017 02:36am
Quote (FroggyG @ Nov 23 2017 02:27am)
You're supposed to be pulling people to your lane. You put pressure on the lane before their team is even in a position to force a 5v4.


Yes I know how a split push works, and we all can probably explain how it should play out but that's not how it plays out in solo q most of the time, especially low elo.

Aside from high elo, half the time you split push your team is going to do nothing usually and farm, or engage and get killed before you even have a chance to put down pressure to pull 2-3 top.

I was actually just climbing a smurf recently just playing teemo/swain top with attempting split pushing and literally 60% of my games would have been ended faster and easier if I just grouped so I'm not sure what experience your logic is coming from.

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