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Nov 19 2017 09:06pm
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Yes, he was limited on minutes to start the season.

Last 3 games: 33, 34, 36 minutes.

Lets just stop acting like Embiid isn't great lol.


Didn't say he wasn't great, I said I want to see him average more then 30 minutes per game... which he doesn't
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Nov 19 2017 09:17pm
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They won..


Losing effort as in sixers aren't winning any playoff games next year
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They won. They sacrificed nearly five full years of their NBA lives forwhat we witnessed on Wednesday night. I’m happy for them.”


Wednesday night, the teams who had the #2/#3 draft picks faced each other. One of those teams HAD to win that night. Obviously, 76ers fan should be happy that they aren't tanking now. Being above .500 is better than starting 0-15. But what important thing happened on Wednesday that justifies all the losing?

"The Process" at best is like paying $800k for a Lamborghini that is worth $400k. You may end up getting a premium product, but you shouldn't be proud of heavily overpaying for it. And I say "at best" because Embiid and Simmons haven't actually made the playoffs yet. Let's see if they actually accomplish anything in Philly before bolting in free agency.

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Wednesday night, the teams who had the #2/#3 draft picks faced each other. One of those teams HAD to win that night. Obviously, 76ers fan should be happy that they aren't tanking now. Being above .500 is better than starting 0-15. But what important thing happened on Wednesday that justifies all the losing?

"The Process" at best is like paying $800k for a Lamborghini that is worth $400k. You may end up getting a premium product, but you shouldn't be proud of heavily overpaying for it. And I say "at best" because Embiid and Simmons haven't actually made the playoffs yet. Let's see if they actually accomplish anything in Philly before bolting in free agency.


yeah but look at the other teams that are purposely tanking and not getting shit

suns, magic. do they have good futures? the 76ers took a gamble and they are now heading somewhere.

the only team that actually tanked and then gotten good aswell is probably timberwolves
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yeah but look at the other teams that are purposely tanking and not getting shit

suns, magic. do they have good futures? the 76ers took a gamble and they are now heading somewhere.

the only team that actually tanked and then gotten good aswell is probably timberwolves


Wolves werent trying to lose they just sucked. Last year making a coaching switch for Thibs was an allin type move, they just werent good enough yet. Years prior they were making win now moves as well
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Nov 20 2017 10:11am
As good as he is I just think he's one injury away from being Bynum.


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Wednesday night, the teams who had the #2/#3 draft picks faced each other. One of those teams HAD to win that night. Obviously, 76ers fan should be happy that they aren't tanking now. Being above .500 is better than starting 0-15. But what important thing happened on Wednesday that justifies all the losing?

"The Process" at best is like paying $800k for a Lamborghini that is worth $400k. You may end up getting a premium product, but you shouldn't be proud of heavily overpaying for it. And I say "at best" because Embiid and Simmons haven't actually made the playoffs yet. Let's see if they actually accomplish anything in Philly before bolting in free agency.


It's not really about the record, or the results in the box score on Wednesday night. I mean they played amazing regardless and won the game, but none the less..

It's about the type of players that they have, it's about Joel Embiid having the single best game of any NBA player this season. It's about Ben Simmons coming up 1 rebound shy of yet another Triple-Double.

These are the type of franchise cornerstone players that can lead you to a CHampionship one day. These are the types of players that draw free agents and have other guys WANTING to play with you. At this point the Sixers are one of the most exciting teams to watch in the league, and it's a result of the draft selections or random journey player gambles in recent years as a RESULT of "The Process".

Drafted Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Fultz, Holmes....haven't even seen Fultz play healthy yet, just wait until he gets comfortable and gets going.

Brought in a guy like Robert Covington, who went undrafted and found himself lighting it up in the D-League but was brought in because the Sixers were in tank mode and had the opportunity to let guys like that audition. Now 3 years later he's essentially the premier 3&D player in the NBA and one of our most important pieces shooting as well as anyone in the NBA from 3pt range.




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As good as he is I just think he's one injury away from being Bynum.


Everyone is one injury away from being Bynum...
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Nov 20 2017 12:33pm
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yeah but look at the other teams that are purposely tanking and not getting shit

suns, magic. do they have good futures? the 76ers took a gamble and they are now heading somewhere.

the only team that actually tanked and then gotten good aswell is probably timberwolves


Celtics started the tank at roughly the same time as the 76ers.

Let me ask it this way: Let's say the Suns are interviewing for a new GM. A candidate walks in and lays out a plan to win 20 games per season for the next 5 seasons, then have a roster with as much talent as the 76ers have now. Would the owner like that plan and hire that candidate?

If you think he would, then why did Hinkie get fired? All Hinkie did was execute the plan he got hired for. Hinkie got fired because that amount of losing was too great a cost. The franchise was attracting negative attention from the national media and the league even stepped in.
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Celtics started the tank at roughly the same time as the 76ers.

Let me ask it this way: Let's say the Suns are interviewing for a new GM. A candidate walks in and lays out a plan to win 20 games per season for the next 5 seasons, then have a roster with as much talent as the 76ers have now. Would the owner like that plan and hire that candidate?

If you think he would, then why did Hinkie get fired? All Hinkie did was execute the plan he got hired for. Hinkie got fired because that amount of losing was too great a cost. The franchise was attracting negative attention from the national media and the league even stepped in.


The Celtics started with far better assets than the Sixers did when Hinkie was hired...

You seem to forget that Hinkie was hired after the Andrew Bynum disaster, where the Sixers gave up a ton of assets for him and he never played a single game in Philly that following season. That's when Hinkie was brought in, and pretty much cleared house (with the few assets that they had) starting with Jrue Holiday coming off his All-Star selection season.

You are right, Hinkie was pressured to remove himself from his position by ownership who didn't like the negative attention that it brought upon the franchise for doing something so radical. They didn't TRUST THE FUCKING PROCESS, but now look at where we are. He turned trash into gold.

His resignation letter to the Sixers ownership pretty much sums it up. This dude knew exactly what he was doing, he took absolutely nothing and turned it into a treasure chest full of draft picks and great prospects. In just 3-4 years he did this. But the problem is that it was a bad look for the league, and it lost the league money despite being great for the Sixers long term.

Quote (Sam Hinkie @ resignation letter)
There has been much criticism of our approach. There will be more. A competitive league like the
NBA necessitates a zig while our competitors comfortably zag. We often chose not to defend ourselves
against much of the criticism, largely in an effort to stay true to the ideal of having the longest view in the
room. To attempt to convince others that our actions are just will serve to paint us in a different light among
some of our competitors as progressives worth emulating, versus adversaries worthy of their disdain. Call me
old-fashioned, but sometimes the optimal place for your light is hiding directly under a bushel.

It is critical to be cycle aware in a talent-driven league. In a situation like yours at the Sixers, where a
variety of circumstances left you near a trough in the cycle (and falling), amplifying this cycle became crucial.
Today’s outcomes for every team are heavily impacted by decisions past (who to draft, sign, trade, hire, etc.).

Jeff Bezos says that if Amazon has a good quarter it’s because of work they did 3, 4, 5 years ago—not
because they did a good job that quarter. Today’s league-leading Golden State Warriors acquired Draymond
Green, Andrew Bogut, and Klay Thompson almost 4 years ago, nearly 4 years ago exactly, and almost 5
years ago. In this league, the long view picks at the lock of mediocrity.


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