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Quote (stupidkid282 @ Nov 8 2017 06:53pm)
Just guess what the price would be if you got your 2750 lb, 300hp, rear wheel drive brz.

Tires....well I have mpss, which are actually cheaper than stock.

What you’re asking for is not going to be given by any manufacturer at the $25k price range.


Doesn't the entire drivetrain hold up to the bolt on turbo kits exceedingly well?






So... what costs more to produce on the BRZ than the camaro? For $28k you can get a 335hp V6.

They could offer it at $25k with the current engine and $27k with a ~300hp turbo 4 or N/A V6 if they wanted to. It's not hard.

The 2018 ecoboost mustang makes 310hp/350tq and starts under $26k.



Those kinds of power plants in a car designed for that power and not 450+ would be an awesome little car.

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That new Gen ecoboost mustang sounds fun and is greatly underrated in my opinion.
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Doesn't the entire drivetrain hold up to the bolt on turbo kits exceedingly well?

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So... what costs more to produce on the BRZ than the camaro? For $28k you can get a 335hp V6.

They could offer it at $25k with the current engine and $27k with a ~300hp turbo 4 or N/A V6 if they wanted to. It's not hard.

The 2018 ecoboost mustang makes 310hp/350tq and starts under $26k.



Those kinds of power plants in a car designed for that power and not 450+ would be an awesome little car.



Aftermarket forced induction has had tons of support, yes. ~400-450 before building engine.

You get that hp/torque in the Camaro, but you don’t get that go kart feeling. Which is entirely preference. I just prefer small and light. Any day of the week, I would choose a smaller, slower, lighter car, than a faster, larger car....that’s just me.


I’m not saying it can’t be done, but I don’t see any manufacturers that will do it.....producing a car like you wish the brz would be. If it was easy and profitable, why wouldn’t they do it?


I would love for Nissan to bring out a next generation Z, that’s is slimmed down a bit. The current gen just appears more bulky than it could be, and you know....we are approaching a decade.

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Aftermarket forced induction has had tons of support, yes. ~400-450 before building engine.

You get that hp/torque in the Camaro, but you don’t get that go kart feeling. Which is entirely preference. I just prefer small and light. Any day of the week, I would choose a smaller, slower, lighter car, than a faster, larger car....that’s just me.


I’m not saying it can’t be done, but I don’t see any manufacturers that will do it.....producing a car like you wish the brz would be. If it was easy and profitable, why wouldn’t they do it?


I would love for Nissan to bring out a next generation Z, that’s is slimmed down a bit. The current gen just appears more bulky than it could be, and you know....we are approaching a decade.


They all have cars in similar segments. I'm not saying the 4cyl camaro is what the BRZ should be. I'm saying the engine in a car at that price point already exists so it's possible. Toyota just won't do it for some reason.
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They all have cars in similar segments. I'm not saying the 4cyl camaro is what the BRZ should be. I'm saying the engine in a car at that price point already exists so it's possible. Toyota just won't do it for some reason.



Price point, but not nearly the same weight.
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Price point, but not nearly the same weight.


Chevrolet has a 2 seat sports car already.

Ford won't produce something that is already covered by the ecoboost mustang track pack.



You are looking at this backwards. Toyobaru built the car. They just need to add some freaking power. It's super simple.

They would pull people that aren't slightly interested right now.
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Quote (FMX_89 @ Nov 9 2017 01:29am)
Chevrolet has a 2 seat sports car already.

Ford won't produce something that is already covered by the ecoboost mustang track pack.



You are looking at this backwards. Toyobaru built the car. They just need to add some freaking power. It's super simple.

They would pull people that aren't slightly interested right now.



How do you add more power without compromising price and weight?

Now I have no idea what FI would cost at a large scale manufacturing level. They keep saying they want to stay NA.

Obviously there are cheaper cars with small turbos, so something could be done....but at what cost.

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How do you add more power without compromising price and weight?

Now I have no idea what FI would cost at a large scale manufacturing level. They keep saying they want to stay NA.

Obviously there are cheaper cars with small turbos, so something could be done....but at what cost.


Do you think a 7.0L LS7 weighs more than a 5.7L LS1?
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Do you think a 7.0L LS7 weighs more than a 5.7L LS1?



Yes, I would guess by about 50 lbs.

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