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How about using an fools runic eth self 2 soc wih 40ias + bos? Will that give the 9,x attacks pr sec? Or even a 6soc phaseblade with 3 x shael + BERBERBER and you can use better helm with some frw + visio(should stack nice with angelic) or coa or smt?

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Looked a bit into this. I thouht that people won't get fhr'd in bear shape since you dont deal any stun dmg? I dont think either CB, OW or PSN stuns... FBR'd, Dodge'd.
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I tryed to figure out ias in assassin bear shape when wielding 2 claws, but calculator faile... Is this not possible?
Since i thouht that if you wsm bugged it, you might not need the 3rd shael? By wsm bug a runic fool's 40ias with shael + shael and a suawaya 6venom/6fade/10/-10 psn. Does this not work? And will 2nd hand facets help when not on main claw?
If it strikes with both claw further attacks pr second can be achieved? If the runic is ED eth self repl and even include's skills it can be pretty awsome, and u will gain a descent ammount of psy dmg.

This would in that case open up for some interesting assa bear builds.
Then you can drop the whole angelic and put cats or hl 08. Or even a crafted frw one. (will block ammu help clawblock?)
And u can put dual raven or raven wisp, or even angelics for gz ar.

For a pure bear you would not need mb and sm boost. And can boost fade for DR.
And maby you could skillbug kick, giving u an impossible high ias. Just for the laught's.

I dont see any reason for ow if the chars go down in 3 secs anyway? Goblin toe's better?

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By using forexample:
Runic eth self rep 2assa/3wb/3venom/add + fools 40ias 270+ed shael + 40/15 together with a war fist 3shadow/6venom/6fade/psn facet/(9dex/7fhr/10@/40lr) for auto wsm bug. You should reach same ias break. Im a bit unsure if its even faster than i calculated and you can put a ber rune in it as well to boost CB.
Then you can use highlord 08 for 30frw/ds(which now actually helps) // craft frw // angelic // metal grid // mara 30 // block ammu if it stacks with clawblock
Goblin toes
Guillaume Shael or BER or Cham or Vex
Bug Belt
wisp/rare/raven/bk/angelic * 2
2shadow/20ias/10cb/15/15
Bug tal (FRW DR RES SKILLS) LO or BER rune. / EoD vs casters

9 x shadows 45
20/20 torch annie
4 x 5frw/5@
6 x 20/5@

Full precast

level 20bos
high clawblock
20 venom
20 claw masteries
20 blade shield
1 sm
1 mb
1 all kicks
rest traps

This should make a nice fulltime bear if the str of assa bear shape is as strong as he say.

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Quote (gel87 @ Oct 14 2017 02:14am)
How about using an fools runic eth self 2 soc wih 40ias + bos? Will that give the 9,x attacks pr sec? Or even a 6soc phaseblade with 3 x shael + BERBERBER and you can use better helm with some frw + visio(should stack nice with angelic) or coa or smt?



BoS wont affect your attack speed, just like any ias not on your wep in bear form.
The only way to reach 9.33 attacks/sec is with a 40ias 3x shael magic GT or runic talons
Using 2 claw and bugged attack speed cause the bear to have a glitched attack animation and doesnt do any dmg sadly.
But even if the 9.33 a/s is nice vs ubers, pvp wise that low dmg would be easily reduced to 0 with some flat pdr, so you'll get anyone down to 1hp very fast but won't be able to finish them XD

Yep, a rare fools claw can obviously be better than fury
The very best option would be :
Rare eth runic talons
Fools
40ias (you wont need more to reach 6.25 a/s with this base)
Self rep
2os with 2x ber probly, or even 2x Lo
High ed%

Yes I know GA is a strange choice for armor
But the weakness of bear and why most people concider it bad pvp is cuz of his low block rate
So either use GA and max block, or dont put a single point in dex
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BoS wont affect your attack speed, just like any ias not on your wep in bear form.
The only way to reach 9.33 attacks/sec is with a 40ias 3x shael magic GT or runic talons
Using 2 claw and bugged attack speed cause the bear to have a glitched attack animation and doesnt do any dmg sadly.
But even if the 9.33 a/s is nice vs ubers, pvp wise that low dmg would be easily reduced to 0 with some flat pdr, so you'll get anyone down to 1hp very fast but won't be able to finish them XD

Yep, a rare fools claw can obviously be better than fury
The very best option would be :
Rare eth runic talons
Fools
40ias (you wont need more to reach 6.25 a/s with this base)
Self rep
2os with 2x ber probly, or even 2x Lo
High ed%

Yes I know GA is a strange choice for armor
But the weakness of bear and why most people concider it bad pvp is cuz of his low block rate
So either use GA and max block, or dont put a single point in dex


clawblock got nice fbr^^
Why doesen't bear use the real bugged attack speed like any other? Its the main claw you bug... And he only uses main claw... A bug main claw gives -55 at max. Using a runic + a war fist. Normal runic without bugging gives a -30wsm. Ergo u have no need for the 3rd shael as i can see it... But when i get home just above 2 weeks until i gonna test ;d

Ofc if u bring a enemy down to 1hp, he dies from 3k venom dmg ofc. Even the psy should be able to obtain 4-5k with a good eth self repl fools...

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clawblock got nice fbr^^
Why doesen't bear use the real bugged attack speed like any other? Its the main claw you bug... And he only uses main claw... A bug main claw gives -55 at max. Using a runic + a war fist. Normal runic without bugging gives a -30wsm. Ergo u have no need for the 3rd shael as i can see it... But when i get home just above 2 weeks until i gonna test ;d

Ofc if u bring a enemy down to 1hp, he dies from 3k venom dmg ofc. Even the psy should be able to obtain 4-5k with a good eth self repl fools...



Breakpoints are not the assassin but the bear
So blocking sucks even with clawblock
Test dual claw if you want, you'll end up with a bugged attack that stops before it resolves, and no bonus mods from a shield
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Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Oct 16 2017 11:30pm)
Breakpoints are not the assassin but the bear
So blocking sucks even with clawblock
Test dual claw if you want, you'll end up with a bugged attack that stops before it resolves, and no bonus mods from a shield


Ill play around some in hero editor when i get home, i went to work 5 days earlier than normal this time, so almost 2 weeks left at work xD
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