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Oct 6 2017 08:39pm
Quote (ampoo @ 6 Oct 2017 20:23)
has been around for decades, however its actually rather complicated and there are quite a few court cases and verdicts from the 70's until now
typical for us :lol:


Sewage tax, with larger properties paying more, seems reasonable in wet countries. Just like easy legislation for storing rain water for citizens in those countries, it helps to reduce the extremes and releases stress on the sewage process.
On the other side: some sort of regulation seems reasonable in dryer areas, meaning that available water could be regulated towards priorities. The easiest way it to buy it from a few sources and regulate who gets what.
Utah (the state from the vid) seems to be using water from the Colorado river, one of the largest rivers, that is partially drying up due human water harvesting, so this actually is an issue where if too much rain water is collected, the river will not reach the coast.

However, running everything through a few sources with water rights, seems to hinder innovations that are meant to be more efficient in water consumption.

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some sort of regulation seems reasonable in dryer areas


Just have to calculate the surface of roofs vs global surface to validate your opinion...

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Oct 6 2017 08:52pm
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Just have to calculate the surface of roofs vs global surface to validate your opinion...


That's why they don't go for residents, but it's meant for "bigger fish". Like any company.

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Fair point actually, but how do you define a roof?

Could I as a company gather all the rainfall on my land?

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Oct 6 2017 09:09pm
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That's why they don't go for residents, but it's meant for "bigger fish". Like any company.


like the Oregon guy that got 30 days jail for collecting water in his pond ?

http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2016/11/15/is-collecting-rainwater-legal-in-your-state/

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this issue has nothing to do with the environment. In fact, a number of independent studies proved that letting people collect rainwater on their property actually reduces demand from water facilities and improves conservation efforts.
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Oct 6 2017 09:15pm
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like the Oregon guy that got 30 days jail for collecting water in his pond ?

http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2016/11/15/is-collecting-rainwater-legal-in-your-state/


https://www.mnn.com/your-home/at-home/blogs/oregon-man-in-possession-of-13-million-gallons-of-illicit-rainwater

13 million gallons

"The bigger story here is that rainwater collection is indeed kosher in Oregon, provided that you’re capturing it from an artificial, impervious surface such as a rooftop with the assistance of rainwater barrels. But an extensive reservoir set-up complete with 10- and 20-foot-tall dams is verboten without the proper, state-issued water-right permits — after all, Oregon law dictates that water is a publicly owned resource — and Harrington did not possess said permits."

/e: Yet, I'd agree that in Oregon, this should not result in a jail sentence. :/

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Oct 6 2017 09:21pm
In France people can collect the shit water they want for their fucking pond anytime; till it's on their property.

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13 million gallons of water


http://www.foxnews.com/real-estate/2012/08/16/man-jailed-for-collecting-rainwater-in-illegal-reservoirs-on-his-property.html

"They issued me my permits. I had my permits in hand and they retracted them just arbitrarily, basically," Harrington told CNSNews.com. "They took them back and said, 'No, you can't have them.' So I've been fighting it ever since."


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In France people can collect the shit water they want for their fucking pond anytime; till it's on their property.


We can use public water (streams canals, standing water) up to 100m3 an hour.. After that require a permit. <- wet country
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Oct 7 2017 12:00am
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like the Oregon guy that got 30 days jail for collecting water in his pond ?

http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2016/11/15/is-collecting-rainwater-legal-in-your-state/


The guy was actually damming up the flowing water that came onto his property to fill illegal reservoirs, which was adversely affecting those that lived around him.
Also, the whole thing started over a decade ago and he continued to ignore the court orders. He would comply and then turn around and do the same thing all over again.
Not to mention he was violating a law that dated back to 1925, not some new law the government enacted recently. He completely misrepresented the case to the media and to the public.
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The guy was actually damming up the flowing water that came onto his property to fill illegal reservoirs, which was adversely affecting those that lived around him.
Also, the whole thing started over a decade ago and he continued to ignore the court orders. He would comply and then turn around and do the same thing all over again.
Not to mention he was violating a law that dated back to 1925, not some new law the government enacted recently. He completely misrepresented the case to the media and to the public.



Are you saying that small tanks are allowed ?
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Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ 7 Oct 2017 07:00)
The guy was actually damming up the flowing water that came onto his property to fill illegal reservoirs, which was adversely affecting those that lived around him.
Also, the whole thing started over a decade ago and he continued to ignore the court orders. He would comply and then turn around and do the same thing all over again.
Not to mention he was violating a law that dated back to 1925, not some new law the government enacted recently. He completely misrepresented the case to the media and to the public.


wonder if he was hoping for a presidential pardon...
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