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Oct 8 2017 06:41pm
Quote (nomadwgk @ Oct 8 2017 02:21pm)
Ban sale of ammo, while everyone gets to keep their guns ammo should be sold at shooting ranges or other designated places.


Can't. Ammo is part and parcel with the arms themselves in being protected by the 2nd amendment.
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Oct 8 2017 07:56pm
I think the idea of the home protection gun needs to go away. Those are by far the most dangerous for families and least effective in stopping criminals.

I like the idea of gun licensing and storage at a local police department like in South Korea. They have virtually zero gun-related crimes per capita.
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Oct 8 2017 07:58pm
Quote (CoheedAndCambria @ Oct 8 2017 07:56pm)
I think the idea of the home protection gun needs to go away. Those are by far the most dangerous for families and least effective in stopping criminals.

I like the idea of gun licensing and storage at a local police department like in South Korea. They have virtually zero gun-related crimes per capita.


source?
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Oct 8 2017 08:13pm
Quote (Sakuraba @ Oct 9 2017 11:58am)
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This should be pretty common knowledge at this point, and shouldn't need citation, but here:

Guns in homes consistently linked to higher homicides and suicides, multiple studies dating back the 80s: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

Background checks and munitions checks leading to fewer suicides and homicides: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)01026-0/abstract

Guns as the leading cause of suicide: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/ (In 2010, over 19,000 people killed themselves with a gun)


Personal anecdote: I do know someone who used a gun to defend himself and killed his attacker. He suffers from alcoholism and mental issues now from taking a life. It's easy to relate these issues in the the abstract, but on the off chance you do stop a criminal act, it can take a heavy toll. It's a lot more complicated than the "Good Guy v.s. Bad Guy" wild-west fantasy. It can have extreme consequences, even if done 100% legally.

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Oct 8 2017 08:16pm
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I've said the same thing for years: Black boxes tagging and/or trackers.
We have the technology to tag and track wildlife but when it comes to guns? It would drive the libertarian kooks wild as they call it the New World Order, but for 95% of reasonable average gun owners it would be a way to keep guns from getting stolen, create a trail when guns go off the grid, etc. Now the exact specifics and logistics are limited by technology and economic viability and would have to be hammered out, would it be mere data recording locally like black boxes, or chips with NFC tech, or 4G, or GPS? I'd like to imagine a world where police on a scene could instantly have a radar-style map of all nearby legal gun owners, where they could know anyone they stop with an untagged gun is carrying illegally, where they can know right away when guns are stolen or suspicious amounts of guns go off the grid in one area.
And if the anti-NWO nutters care so much, come the revolution they can just rip the chips off their guns all at once.


Best idea.
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Oct 8 2017 08:24pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 9 2017 12:16pm)
Best idea.


That idea has been tried, the chipping. It's easily manipulated and hacked with simple magnets.

As far as the police having real-time tracking, that is a huge privacy violation that I wouldn't be comfortable with supporting, even with an anti-gun stance.
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Oct 8 2017 08:55pm
Quote (CoheedAndCambria @ Oct 8 2017 08:24pm)
That idea has been tried, the chipping. It's easily manipulated and hacked with simple magnets.

As far as the police having real-time tracking, that is a huge privacy violation that I wouldn't be comfortable with supporting, even with an anti-gun stance.


The goal of such proposals wouldn't be to make tamper-proof chips. You can remove a license plate from a vehicle easily enough too.
Tracking chips would make it safer for police around legal gun owners, provide a trail if guns go missing or are stolen, allow illegal weapons to be identified when they lack a chip.

In terms of the 4th amendment- we're all talking right now about violating the 2nd amendment. If we took the 2nd as absolute, then any such restrictions would be unconstitutional. If we're arguing that the 2nd isn't absolute, which it isn't, then likewise the 4th isn't either. There can be some reasonable level of tradeoff, where you forfeit some privacy when you carry in public.

And if it can't stand up to the 4th amendment? Then I wouldn't support it. But there are more possible technological options than just full blown big brother tracking
Black boxes for example. Could you legally mandate that guns must carry a chip which records its location, and for newer guns, when its fired- but not share this information remotely and its only accessible upon warrant?
When you get to specific implementation and options and legal challenges, I think there's a lot of room for different approaches
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Oct 8 2017 09:10pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 6 2017 06:04am)
Wow its almost like opposing the government specifically doing one thing is not the same as opposing science!
Its a failure in your deductive reasoning, not a hypocritical statement.

http://www.azquotes.com/public/picture_quotes/b7/9c/b79c55f1c72cc80c3492fc0ca84d4220/frederic-bastiat-571738.jpg


This is dumb, where do you think equality will come from if not the state?
You think the corporations you worship will just gve it all back?
They already own almost everything.
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Oct 9 2017 02:35am


Dutch satirist takes on American gun culture.

Misses some points but has some great puns.
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Oct 9 2017 02:48am
Quote (balrog66 @ 9 Oct 2017 09:35)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-o9pwWUzz0

Dutch satirist takes on American gun culture.

Misses some points but has some great puns.


that's the guy from "america first, netherlands second", right? good shit...
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