did you do this yet?

I think people are missing the point. OP raises a valid point.

The mother is willingly conceiving, knowing that the baby will die. What significant moral difference is there between that and having an abortion?

This post was edited by Voyaging on Oct 4 2017 11:55am

What I am trying to say is that you are asking questions at a certain level, while your target audience does not have the intention of approaching the topic at that same level. You will have a hard time getting serious answers to this.

Wrong. That is not his point, which is the entire problem with his argument.

I would agree with both of you that, in this one scenario, that a mother was purposely getting pregnant knowing that with 100% certainty (that's the important part here, folks) that the child will die then it's wrong.

If there is a chance she can bring a child into this world, then it's absolutely fine.

I have no moral outrage here, it's simply common sense.

Great! This means we just need to develop an abortion procedure with 80% success rate, and pro lifers will approve.

There's a difference between knowing the unborn baby will die, and knowing there's a good chance the unborn baby will die. It's an interesting question, but I don't think it's comparable. Miscarriages are very common, nature made it that way, and intent is the major factor here.

I suppose there's an argument to be made that if a woman knows every pregnancy will miscarriage, she's on the same moral ground as a woman who gets an abortion, but is it even possible to have that knowledge?

...except this is never the case. Even with women that have had multiple miscarriages there is a probability that the baby will survive. I challenge you to find me examples were doctors have proven 100% a baby will die due to miscarriage and the women continues on trying to make a baby.

Abortion is a rational choice on the part of the women, miscarriage is not. Why is this such a hard concept to understand?