St. Augustus based his abortion position on the bible and said that it was kosher until 16 weeks for females, and 8 weeks for males.

If we're actually going on scripture though it should be kosher until it's 3 years old.

This is so true. It drives me nuts. There just isn't a baby in there. I love the PaRD libertarians who believe that the Bill of Rights are cool things for white dudes and that women should be forced to have children that men can sell. I think it's pick on Cam day so I'm just piling on



St. Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, had similar timelines I'm pretty sure. He was a very smart man too. He is a strong philosopher in his own right.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 5 2017 03:25pm

It was Aquinas. I got the names mixed up.


In other news, I still can't get any pro-lifers to even acknowledge that in-vitro fertilization kills dozens of children.

The best response I've gotten was from Santara who basically said it was worth it because it was in pursuit of a birth.

Kind of disgusting conclusion, and really demonstrates the absurdity of calling them pro-life.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 5 2017 03:33pm

well i am aware that there has been a long "tradition" of abortion. there is a very old german word for people performing abortions: "engelmacher" (which translates to "angel maker") and i always thought that sounds extremely sinister (even though the opposite was clearly the intention) - and that's not because i was raised catholic, luckily my grandparents refrained from indoctrinating me with bumper sticker postitions regarding such highly controversial topics... maybe it's the fact that angels ARE portrayed as fully developed people, as kids or adults, and i always thought you just slap on a pair of wings on whoever just died and there goes your angel...

Yeah a lot of those who are pro choice don't like the idea of late term abortion since as you said it's able to survive outside of the mothers body so they can't act like it wouldn't feel pain or be a pretty developed baby at birth at that point. I also don't think you're being sentimental since you're considering the development of the fetus which is a rational thing to do.

This post was edited by dark-soul on Oct 6 2017 06:28am