Quote (majorblood @ Oct 4 2017 01:42pm)

because of adversity and 'shitty parents' life should be terminated? This is your central argument on the morality of abortion?

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Oct 4 2017 05:51am)

Oh, like when they force a victim of rape to carry to term with no regard what that will do to the woman? Or when they forced a man to watch his brain dead wife stay hooked up to tubes and wires because the state wouldn't respect her wishes, the family's wishes and his wishes?
Having a choice does not equate to pro infanticide as much as you want to pretend it does to avoid the elephant in the room, but drafting policies and voting to pretty much abandon the fetus once it's born pretty much does illustrate the point he was making and you're lying if you claim otherwise.

How about we work to reduce the need for abortions before trying getting rid of them, how about republicans stop defunding teen pregnancy programs,
stop promoting abstinence education that doesn't work and teach actual sex ed and provide access to contraceptives and stop defunding women's reproductive healthcare.
While also providing help and support once the child is born instead of abandoning them. You know, if they really want to claim to be pro life and actually be sincere about it.

Or don't and be hypocrites about it. Which one is more likely?

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Oct 4 2017 03:51am)

Oh, like when they force a victim of rape to carry to term with no regard what that will do to the woman? Or when they forced a man to watch his brain dead wife stay hooked up to tubes and wires because the state wouldn't respect her wishes, the family's wishes and his wishes?

Quote (Santara @ Oct 4 2017 08:11am)

Sorry, but I get to decide which labels I will apply to baby killers. Calling people pro-choice while they actively take one away from the victim? I refuse.

Quote (Skinned @ Oct 4 2017 08:28am)

I'm pro choice.

Freed can be hard for some.

We can't trample the rights of actual people in favor of the rights of non-people.




You realize it is extreme hyperbole though.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 4 Oct 2017 16:42)

Not at all. Abortion proponents purposefully use a vague term such as "pro-choice" to give it a positive feel. Pro choice to do what exactly? Why not be honest of what you're proposing instead of putting a spin making your position sound as if it's some moral good.

Instead you guys refer to it as "pro-choice" so when someone say they are against "pro-choice", in our libertine culture they can automatically be labeled as some sort of oppressor and wrong.

Less than 1% of all abortions are due to rape or incest but yet it's used to justify the other 99% of abortions. Worldwide, there have been a billion people aborted since the 70s. You take all the wars, genocides, murders ever committed and they are a small fraction of abortion murders.

This is greatest crime against humanity of all time. You guys choose to rationalize and excuse murder because selfish ambitions and hedonism takes precedence over life.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 4 2017 10:42am)

Not at all. Abortion proponents purposefully use a vague term such as "pro-choice" to give it a positive feel. Pro choice to do what exactly? Why not be honest of what you're proposing instead of putting a spin making your position sound as if it's some moral good.

Instead you guys refer to it as "pro-choice" so when someone say they are against "pro-choice", in our libertine culture they can automatically be labeled as some sort of oppressor and wrong.

Less than 1% of all abortions are due to rape or incest but yet it's used to justify the other 99% of abortions. Worldwide, there have been a billion people aborted since the 70s. You take all the wars, genocides, murders ever committed and they are a small fraction of abortion murders.

This is greatest crime against humanity of all time. You guys choose to rationalize and excuse murder because selfish ambitions and hedonism takes precedence over life.

Quote (Santara @ 4 Oct 2017 15:11)

Sorry, but I get to decide which labels I will apply to baby killers. Calling people pro-choice while they actively take one away from the victim? I refuse.

Quote (fender @ 4 Oct 2017 18:47)

silly talking point. pro choice does not mean pro abortion. it means just what it says: allowing everyone to HAVE the CHOICE - something even outspoken opponents of a woman's choice seem to agree with once they are personally affected.
the REALLY misleading term is the side that calls itself "pro life", which really should be labeled "anti choice". they couldn't care less about "life" in general (guns / healthcare / food programs / poverty / unjustified wars / environmental protection / capital punishment...), they only care about restricting a woman's choice for their own (mostly religious and ideological) reasons.