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Nov 21 2017 01:36pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Nov 21 2017 01:31pm)
Only a few episodes in, but enjoying what I've seen so far. 100% agree with this just isn't fucking Frank Castle.... like, not even fucking close to what he was in the comics, or even the movies. Pretty sad when even the shitty Thomas Jane Punisher was a much better Punisher than you. It's not his fault that his movie was pretty blah, it was the writers/directors fault imo, Jane showed he could do it correctly in that laundrymat skit, but there's like fucking nothing this fool does that makes me think "that's something the Punisher would do". Oh well, still an enjoyable show regardless, just could have been really great.


They don't have follow other iterations of the Punisher at all though
It's their own version
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Nov 21 2017 04:03pm
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They don't have follow other iterations of the Punisher at all though
It's their own version


Except they completely ruined his entire backstory and character motivation.

It isn't their own version it's a completely different character.
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Nov 21 2017 04:11pm
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They don't have follow other iterations of the Punisher at all though
It's their own version


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Except they completely ruined his entire backstory and character motivation.

It isn't their own version it's a completely different character.


This. It just doesn't feel like Castle, it doesn't feel like the Punisher. All of his actions/methods etc.. are just completely off, not to mention that he acts like a fucking idiot half the time, when he should be insanely intelligent. They have him act like your average low-mid intelligence army grunt who's prone to anger and logic and reason are afterthoughts, vs The Punisher, who was a cold-blooded killing machine who was next to invincible because of his meticulous calculations and brilliant executions. It's just not even remotely similar to the character. Still enjoying it, but I just wish they'd stop creating new characters that have NOTHING to do with the source material, and then tagging them with some popular heroes name to get more viewers.
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Nov 21 2017 05:19pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Nov 21 2017 04:11pm)
This. It just doesn't feel like Castle, it doesn't feel like the Punisher. All of his actions/methods etc.. are just completely off, not to mention that he acts like a fucking idiot half the time, when he should be insanely intelligent. They have him act like your average low-mid intelligence army grunt who's prone to anger and logic and reason are afterthoughts, vs The Punisher, who was a cold-blooded killing machine who was next to invincible because of his meticulous calculations and brilliant executions. It's just not even remotely similar to the character. Still enjoying it, but I just wish they'd stop creating new characters that have NOTHING to do with the source material, and then tagging them with some popular heroes name to get more viewers.


I don't really care about source material whatsoever. I just like a good story.

But you're right there are inconsistencies that drag it down.
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Nov 21 2017 05:59pm
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I don't really care about source material whatsoever. I just like a good story.

But you're right there are inconsistencies that drag it down.


How can you try to argue about whether it's a good "punisher" show when you say you don't care about source material. That's so fucking stupid.
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Nov 21 2017 06:49pm
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How can you try to argue about whether it's a good "punisher" show when you say you don't care about source material. That's so fucking stupid.


Why should any version of anything have to rely on a story that someone else already made? A good story is a good story regardless of whether it follows your preconceived notions of what the story "should" be or not.
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Why should any version of anything have to rely on a story that someone else already made? A good story is a good story regardless of whether it follows your preconceived notions of what the story "should" be or not.


Not what the story should be, what the character should be.

You wouldn't make a James Bond film where he wasn't a secret agent for mi6, because that isn't the character. It isn't a bond film anymore, it may be a fantastic stand alone masterpiece but it is not a good bond film.

e: and that's what this show is, it's a good show, but a shit punisher show.

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Nov 21 2017 07:34pm
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Not what the story should be, what the character should be.

You wouldn't make a James Bond film where he wasn't a secret agent for mi6, because that isn't the character. It isn't a bond film anymore, it may be a fantastic stand alone masterpiece but it is not a good bond film.


Sure. A good film but not a good bond film. I agree with that.

But what I'm stating is that I don't care about having a good bond film. I just want a good film. I'm not sentimental enough to want anything more than that.

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I don't really care about source material whatsoever. I just like a good story.


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Sure. A good film but not a good bond film. I agree with that.

But what I'm stating is that I don't care about having a good bond film. I just want a good film. I'm not sentimental enough to want anything more than that.


I get that, but personally I'm a bit annoyed at people using a name to sell tickets, so to speak, rather than making original things.

I judge things differently based on what it is vs what it should be. Which is why I can say change the shows name and get it away from the punisher crap and it's a great show, but it sucks massively at being a punisher show.

E: I want to point out I only do that comparison for things that have a history, not for everything that comes out.

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Nov 22 2017 01:13pm
Well this was quite a good season, gets really bloody sometimes lmao.
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