Shut the fuck up ciroc. I bet you can suck your own dick. You're 3'6'' and judging by the way you act, have a 3 ft cock. Go suck yourself off in a corner.

Sure, you can get 10 dimes with those guys
But look at those names

Frye, JR, Korver, Deron Williams, etc
4 players who if they aren't standing still and shooting
They bring NOTHING anywhere on the court
Throw Shumpert in there -- no point in playing average defense if you shoot 25% open

This post was edited by ZxFamily-GuyxZ on Sep 18 2017 11:08am

I never said nor implied that Wallace was irrelevant. That Pistons team with Wallace struggled to beat those cavs. It isn't only about winning and losing. It is also how the game is played. It is true that Wallace affected the outcome but I'm not wrong about Lebron making his team better. Maybe the Lebron hate is getting to you?

Larry Hughes
Pavlovic
Bron
Gooden
Z

BOOOOOOOOOOOBY (who)?
Damon Jones
Marshall
Varejao

You make the finals with that? GOAT

stacked

pretty low to say that considering you're asian and a minority yourself

i just read this whole thread now. this is aids.

im not a LeBron fan at all, but he took a trash team to the finals. that is definitely props. You have to recognize greatness when it comes, and tip your hat even if you dont like him.


also, Kyrie wasnt exactly a star until Lebron came.

This post was edited by NuttyEmoKid on Sep 18 2017 03:35pm

did kobe make players better?

I hate Lebron but he definitely makes guys around him better on the floor. Other than seeing the floor really well and being a great distributor, his effect is to relax his guys. If you know your teammate can take over and drop 45 on any given night against most defenders, it adds to your confidence and relaxation. You can take shots you might not risk otherwise. It doesn't mean guys will do too much but it means they will spend a lot of time with a buffer which allows them to flourish. When plays can just plug into their roles without a lot of pressure it can help a lot.

There was a dude I played with @ UofT from Ghana who looked like Patrick Beverley, and when we were on the floor together, we'd usually have one of us do all the scoring or have one of us defend the other team's top guard. And then everything else becomes easier. Plus you know you'll get the ball if you're playing well and you'll have some communicating all the time on defense. Most nights, even though you play hard, you know you only have to worry about a few things because other things are already going to be taken care of ... That's a bit like what Lebron had with Kyrie. Most nights they were the two best players on the floor--sometimes by a wide margin. Everyone else gets to relax. And on the Cavs, Lebron was easily the biggest part of that effect.

It takes a special player to be able to do that. The problem is when teams start to rely on someone that talented and then just sit back. Jordan's Bulls did that fairly often. He has a lot of highlights that go on for a while and basically both teams are just watching him. As pros, it's important to stay hungry and vigilant all the time. It's good to be able to relax in a way but you still have to do work.



Yes, absolutely. But if he was missing his shots, no, definitely not. Kobe was a volume scorer and even when he was chucking 40+ almost every night in streaks, he wasn't making his guys better. There were a few great years before injuries cut him down when he was making his guys much better. Gasol had that effect, too.

This post was edited by RewtheBrave on Sep 18 2017 05:13pm

You know Kobe is black right