This is one thing I really don't understand. Why does the party of "personal responsibility" not want to see its citizens become well educated? This is an issue that is very important to me because of how important education is to society. An educated society tends to be healthier, commit less crime, rely on welfare less, etc., etc.. On top of that, how to republicans want to be able to compete with other countries economically without higher education? Blue collar jobs? Obviously, there's nothing wrong with a career in plumbing, mechanics, etc, but it's not going to put America above countries like Korea or Japan in the long run. I don't agree with people getting federal grants for majors in women's studies or art, but surely we can agree that a country of doctors, engineers, computer scientists, etc., is going to be highly successful globally.

Is the reason really something as petty as "colleges are elitist" or "colleges are for liberals"?

http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-believe-college-education-bad-america-donald-trump-media-fake-news-634474

This post was edited by Mastersam93 on Sep 15 2017 07:20am

it's more of a systemic problem with democracy as a whole, it's easier the control the less well educated the citizens are and so the education system is eroded to the benefit of those in power.
but i have many grievances with democracy and would like to see it done away with
i don't want to live with a government composed of people chosen by popular vote anymore than i want to ride in a cruise ship whose design was determined by polling everyone who might potentially ride it as opposed to qualified engineers only.

people are STUPID

democracy would be viable if this weren't the case.

This post was edited by DCSS on Sep 15 2017 07:24am

I'm for those as well. What will inspire me without art ? How can we socially evolve without what you call "women studies".. Awkward name btw.. Don't like it.. I do agree with the rest of the post.

I actually edited that line. I don't care if someone wants to get a degree in art, but I don't think they should get a federal grant for something that is not going to be beneficial to the country in a significant way. If there ever becomes a shortage of artists or sociologists, then by all means start giving grants for those programs.

interesting, how do you define 'benefiting the country in a significant way'?

I'm sure there is a way of quantifying it precisely, but I'm not an economics major. So in a general sense I guess I'm thinking majors where there education grant ends up being an investment that pays itself off for the average student.

So if the average engineering degree costs $25,000, but the average engineer makes the country $30,000 over their career, then it's worth it.

so do you think the average person who gets an arts degree never make that back? Harsh.

Even after the edit we still disagree That's alright though.

I do see social studies and art as greatly benefiting a country. Especially on the long run... Progress in science is not visible by looking at economic gains on the short run.

Should we also discourage or disallow people to move out of the country after getting an education paid for by the government? Seems like the same reason to not fund art degrees.