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Aug 17 2017 03:41am
It looks fun, but dno if dmg is just pure shit even with amp?
Can lacerathor be socet? Does They break If wirl with them?
Should i use 2 * eth lacerathor ? Or lacerathor + eth self replenish spear or axe? Will it get effects from both axe masteries and throwmasteries?
Will amp have a chance to trigger when u hit with another wep, but equipped lacerathor?

Was thinking something like this:
Eth lacerathor + eth lacerathor or eth rare self repl spear/axe or shield depending on armor(storm/jmod/blackhorns)
Enigma/bugtal/forty
Visio frw circ(jools/runes depending on armor)/arreat/coa/30_120_45/gaze08
Bug belt
Gores
Dracs or gleglaws or 20/kb/adds gloves guess kveld would be smart.
Wisp raven angelic rare
Raven angelic rare
Hl angelic metalgrid maby hl08 depending on ias needs

3wc/20str/lt charges + 3wc/20str/lr charges

Torch, annie, some fhr scs and rest 322?
Or maby full psn scs? xD

Can any of this work? Any1 tested? It deals any dmg at all?

This post was edited by gel87 on Aug 17 2017 03:41am
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Aug 17 2017 03:45am
63fc dual amp throw bvc can be fun vs casters if u you're good at chaining/wc stun etc but I think that's pretty much it.
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Aug 17 2017 04:17am
Quote (Sreial_ganja @ Aug 17 2017 09:45am)
63fc dual amp throw bvc can be fun vs casters if u you're good at chaining/wc stun etc but I think that's pretty much it.


Okay. Im pretty good at chainlocks, however i would love a build who can stand a slim chance vs most chars. Im just afraid the dmg is to low. And 63 fcr is usually to laggy for me theese days xD

Lets say:
2baba/20fcr/visio/20@/adds/2soc with bercham or berLo
Gores
Highlord
Dual eth lacerathor
20/kb/1xstr and dex/add
Eod ap/vyrm(need the for)
Bug belt/arach
Raven wisp / 2 x fcr rings 10/15dex/life/1xxar/res

Then
2 * 5/5 for 30fhr break
Rest torch/annie/322

Switch bo weps with lt(or should i keep dual massive dmg javs for switch)?

Bb got like 50% chance to Pierce + can leap dudus and necs away from summons, stun with wc and keep stunned with kb. And when Low i lt dudu + summons and wirl og throw life up. Same with nec and his summons.

Vs smiters i would hit and run fast, i only need to trigger ow here, hope for a couple of amp hits as well. Lt his oak If he got.

Vs hammer: play as a bowa, leap to easier hit when he comes, kb him and lt his oak.

Vs sosos, Put on to gloves and 63fcr, might even use fcr ammu. Wirl and ow and throw the fuck and stun with wc and leap.

Vs babas just flee and try to get him stunned and kb'ed and inflicts as much dmg as possible. Let ow constant drive his life down.
Deal dmg in his failed long wirls etc.


But i have no idea how much dmg They inflict... is it like 2k, or 4k or 6k or even more? If its 2k i think its a waste.
2000*0,17 = 340dmg
Vs 50% dr = 170
When amped = 1040 or smt? I dno.

But If its 4k we are getting somewhere, and If 6k its 3 times as good. If 6k is possible then we are looking at 3,1k life taken when amped.
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Aug 17 2017 04:37am
Quote (gel87 @ Aug 17 2017 10:41am)
How Strong Can A Pvp Throwbaba Be?


hmm
nine hundred something?
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Aug 17 2017 05:34am
Hmm If uber exspensive then:
-2baba/40ias/4××ed/eth/repl/increase stack size x2 spears
-Switch eth lacerathor to trigger amp(switchbug) + 3wc/20str/lt or swordbackhhold(ow switchbug)
-Highlord
-20ias/kb/strdex/add or dracs If kb in spears
-Bug belt
-wisp
-raven
-gores
-eod or eni
-2/20/visio/10fhr/add/2soc shael + ber or Lo or dmg jool.

Cube:
6/6 bo/shout, demon limb, soj, soj, 3wc ammu

Invent:
Torch/annie
Cube
Some 20/5@
Rest 322

1 wirl
1 frenzy
1 spear mast(wirl)
20 throw mast
20 double swing
20 double throw
20 bo
1 all natural boosts(def, res, frw etc)
1-10 leap
1-10 shout

20fcr build(it works, ask tudey) 30 or 50fhr depending on eni/eod
20 to 36 dr depending on rune/eni

Should double the dmg from dual lacerathor.
I saw 1 guy on google had a dmg of 7xx-2,7k. Each ofc. With good javs it could be double dmg. So 1400-5,5k ish.

Then avg. would be:
2k dmg. Maby even more. With pretty descent ar.

So it could work i think. But very costly to make good, javs have so heavy prices

This post was edited by gel87 on Aug 17 2017 05:35am
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Aug 17 2017 08:52am
a 20 fcr caster? what are you planning to kill with a 20 fcr low range caster?

I played them for a few years. The only matchups it did well without going hybrid were 99 fcr windy and trash melee builds like shapeshifters
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Aug 17 2017 09:12am
Quote (Worrywart @ Aug 17 2017 02:52pm)
a 20 fcr caster? what are you planning to kill with a 20 fcr low range caster?

I played them for a few years. The only matchups it did well without going hybrid were 99 fcr windy and trash melee builds like shapeshifters


I have played a lot 20fcr BVC/BVA, its not as good as 40%, but it can catch anything really. At some point enemies need to get closer. A nec will never hit that much invis anyway. Sosos need to get close. Amas u can catch, dudus also.
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Aug 17 2017 09:42am
Quote (gel87 @ Aug 17 2017 10:12am)
I have played a lot 20fcr BVC/BVA, its not as good as 40%, but it can catch anything really. At some point enemies need to get closer. A nec will never hit that much invis anyway. Sosos need to get close. Amas u can catch, dudus also.


It sounds like you haven't tried this build before
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Aug 17 2017 11:07am
Don't even bother with lacerators for pvp, the range is horrible (like half a screen) and the dmg is low, even with amp

Your best bet is rare eth rep throwing spears, much higher, more consistent dmg without relying on amp, and the range is slightly > 1 screen irrc which helps a lottt for this underpowered build

Something else to keep in mind is that if you get fast and super slow jav bases, you can wsm bug them to hit insane throwing speeds... winged harpoon and ghost glaive would be ideal, I don't remember ias required to hit the glitched frames but it's stupid fast and ghost glaives have huge dmg. Also if you have to wsg you will have to re wsm bug which means you basically can't do this vs any sin

Don't overlook 08 valk as a helm, you need ias fcr fhr and frw and it has big amounts of all of them

Also putting extra points into dex helps a lot with dmg/ar. Actual dmg will be lower than displayed but you can still kill non block chars hella quick with good javs

You absolutely need knock back and a lot of frw and basically just try not to get hit because you will be squishy compared to a regular bvc

Prepare to die a lot but it can be a lot of fun, especially if you wsm bug
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Aug 17 2017 11:13am
Quote (urkel182 @ Aug 17 2017 12:07pm)
Don't even bother with lacerators for pvp, the range is horrible (like half a screen) and the dmg is low, even with amp

Your best bet is rare eth rep throwing spears, much higher, more consistent dmg without relying on amp, and the range is slightly > 1 screen irrc which helps a lottt for this underpowered build

Something else to keep in mind is that if you get fast and super slow jav bases, you can wsm bug them to hit insane throwing speeds... winged harpoon and ghost glaive would be ideal, I don't remember ias required to hit the glitched frames but it's stupid fast and ghost glaives have huge dmg. Also if you have to wsg you will have to re wsm bug which means you basically can't do this vs any sin

Don't overlook 08 valk as a helm, you need ias fcr fhr and frw and it has big amounts of all of them

Also putting extra points into dex helps a lot with dmg/ar. Actual dmg will be lower than displayed but you can still kill non block chars hella quick with good javs

You absolutely need knock back and a lot of frw and basically just try not to get hit because you will be squishy compared to a regular bvc

Prepare to die a lot but it can be a lot of fun, especially if you wsm bug


When you wsm bug at certain speeds (5.5 fpa I think?) It uses the range from one weapon for both weapons. It would let you use 1 lacerator without losing range
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