Quote (Knaapie @ 26 Jul 2017 14:18)

Refugees don't feel like winning though, economical immigrants do. A translator knowing his accents can refuse a Moroccan immigrant w/o ID instantly. Basically by only allowing refugees in possession of an ID would instantly refuse most of the actual refugees.

Europe is not an island, the Mediterranean sea isn't even a proper sea, Imagine the wall needed to control Europe's border^^. Strong diplomatic ties with African countries have also made it difficult to send refused asylum seekers back.
In general: a refused asylum seeker in Europe will be refused by their African home country to return home.. This is a political focus at this time, one of the hurdles to tackle in order to gain control on the crisis. (Germany is obviously taking part in this as well).

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jul 2017 13:27)

simply cut all rejected asylum seekers off from any welfare or healthcare and subsidies and other forms of entitlements.

Quote (Knaapie @ 26 Jul 2017 14:39)

/e hmm.. actually nvm this post pre edit. I'll have to see of that isnt already in effect. Think it is.

Quote (Knaapie @ 26 Jul 2017 14:18)

Refugees don't feel like winning though, economical immigrants do. A translator knowing his accents can refuse a Moroccan immigrant w/o ID instantly. Basically by only allowing refugees in possession of an ID would instantly refuse most of the actual refugees.

Europe is not an island, the Mediterranean sea isn't even a proper sea, Imagine the wall needed to control Europe's border^^. Strong diplomatic ties with African countries have also made it difficult to send refused asylum seekers back.
In general: a refused asylum seeker in Europe will be refused by their African home country to return home.. This is a political focus at this time, one of the hurdles to tackle in order to gain control on the crisis. (Germany is obviously taking part in this as well).

Quote (ampoo @ 26 Jul 2017 14:20)

why wouldnt they? even people that are widely considered to be legit refugees have crossed safe countries to get to their favored destination
dont even get me started on how the definition of asylum has been ridiculed

there is no need for walls whatsoever, strong but mobile controls are fine and even if a migrant boat slips through at some point we can swiftly ship them back

this bullshit narrative tthat borders cant be protected is simply wrong

and certain countries refusing to take their people back...just another case of europe being weak
cancel development aid immediately and they will take their scum back in no time

Quote (Knaapie @ 26 Jul 2017 15:32)

Canceling development is not the best way to deal with it. It's likely to create more refugees.

Europeans countries are trying to hit the rulers of countries not taking back their refused refugees.
Hit policy makers diplomats and rulers. Refuse their travel towards Europe, so you don't have to hit the citizens that have nothing to do without it.
I'm not sure how far they have come with this plan though. I seemed fresh a month ago.

Quote (Knaapie @ 26 Jul 2017 15:32)

Canceling development is not the best way to deal with it. It's likely to create more refugees.

Europeans countries are trying to hit the rulers diplomats and policymakers of countries not taking back their refused refugees. Refuse their travel towards Europe, so you don't have to hit the citizens that have nothing to do without it. I'm not sure how far they have come with this plan though. It seemed fresh a month ago.

Quote (WNxIrvine @ 26 Jul 2017 15:49)

#votebrexit

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jul 2017 08:04)

what the italian couple said is mostly wrong. neither france nor spain nor portugal or a lot of other european countries are taking in a meaningful amount of refugees, they just dont talk about this very fact. even sweden isnt taking mass numbers of refugees anymore. denmark never did. the entirety of eastern europe is firmly against muslim immigration. austria already led the group responsible for the shutdown of the balkan route, and they are currently spearheading an initiative to shut down the mediterranean route from libya to italy. so the only countries where the politicians are open (pun intended) for this form of immigration are germany, italy, greece and, to a lesser extend, switzerland.


so there is overwhelming support for stopping this travesty all across europe. if italian politicians joined the austrian and esatern european initiative to shutdown the mediterranean route, merkel and the brussels eurocrats would be isolated on this issue.
which is why I absolutely dont get why the italian politicians arent spearheading the shutdown initiatives themselves, why they are still actively working against them. I dont get why many mayors of souther italian seaports are strongly "pro asylum". I dont get why they are on the one hand lamenting the influx of african immigrants while they, on the other hand, still dont want to stop this influx and are explicitly only calling for a redistribution of refugees, not a lowering of the refugee numbers.

my opinion: as long as the italian government isnt on the side of those countries who are actively looking for ways to stop this, the situation in italy cant be too bad. blaming brussels is a lame excuse for their own unwillingness to do everything in their power to stop the influx of immigrants.