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Jul 26 2017 01:54pm
everyones favorite frenchie got rekt again
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jul 2017 20:38)
most of them arrived in late 2015, so that the crimes they brought with them arent fully reflected in the 2015 statistics. rape was indeed up 13% in 2016 btw, I already cited that:
https://www.thelocal.se/20170112/swedens-2016-crime-stats-analyzed
and ofc your chart also doesnt refute the fact that 85% of convicted rapists in sweden were first- or second generation migrants, while their population share at the time was below 15%.


According to data gathered by Swedish police from October 2015 to January 2016, 5,000 police calls out of 537,466 involved asylum seekers and refugees.
According to Felipe Estrada, professor of criminology at Stockholm University, this shows how the media gives disproportionate attention to and exaggerates the alleged criminal involvement of asylum seekers and refugees.

source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Sweden

Quote (ampoo @ 26 Jul 2017 20:54)
everyones favorite frenchie got rekt again


Too bad, finally fart-right populists didnt won over Europe.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 26 Jul 2017 22:03)
According to data gathered by Swedish police from October 2015 to January 2016, 5,000 police calls out of 537,466 involved asylum seekers and refugees.
According to Felipe Estrada, professor of criminology at Stockholm University, this shows how the media gives disproportionate attention to and exaggerates the alleged criminal involvement of asylum seekers and refugees.

source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Sweden


rofl, you seriously want to make "calls to the police" a measure of crime rates? so as long as no one calls the police, for example because the victim doesnt trust the police, or because witnesses are intimidated by the 8 violent brothers, 34 cousins, 27 uncles and 71 nephews of a perpetrator, there was no crime? (numbers intentionally exaggerated to make a point.)

and calls like that from the 85 year old senile granny who tells the police that "my fridge is empty", the guy who calls the police because his neighbors dog is barking too loud and calls for reporting actual crimes would of course be mixed up and put into one bag by doing that.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 26 2017 02:14pm
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Jul 26 2017 02:16pm
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Felipe Estrada, professor of criminology at Stockholm University


yeah, i would certainly trust more this buddy than dogs barking in the trashyard.
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yeah, i would certainly trust more this buddy than dogs barking in the trashyard.


yeah, the issue is clearly overinflated because one single person said so without giving reasons for this assessment.

btw interesting to see that you seem to trust this researcher blindly. why didnt you trust the swedish researchers who came to the following conclusion:

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"A 2002 survey by Karlstad University found that 85 per cent of those sentenced to at least two years in prison for rape were foreign born or second-generation immigrants. And as long ago as 1996 a report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention concluded that immigrants from north Africa were 23 times as likely to commit rape as Swedish men."

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refdaily?pass=52fc6fbd5&id=568f60e65

those are researchers that, in contrast to yours, have come to their conclusion based on sensible data. and they drew conclusions that are empirically verifiable... and were made at a time when the swedish police/authorities didnt yet hold back data about migrant crime in order to keep up political correctness.



This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 26 2017 02:23pm
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Jul 26 2017 02:31pm
i guess you will dig studies from the 50's to continue to argue about current sweden immigration issue.



Red is any kind of sex crime, blue is robberies, purple is any kind of physical assault, yellow is fraud, dark-cyan is any form of harassment and green is any kind of illegal threats.

i cant be disagree theres more problems with foreign people, on the other hand i notice that the flow of migrant is happening every year since a while already, and it doesnt seems the situation of the country is so "horrible" than related in all those alt-right websites/forums etc..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden

basically i hate bias.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jul 26 2017 03:00pm
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i guess you will dig studies from the 50's to continue to argue about current sweden immigration issue.


there is absolutely no reason to assume that the circumstances have changed for the better since 1996/2002. and im only referring to those rather old studies because they were made at a time when swedish authorities would still release the necessary data. nowadays, they withhold a lot of infos that would be needed to complete the puzzle.

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https://i1.wp.com/debunkingdenialism.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/bra1.png

Red is any kind of sex crime, blue is robberies, purple is any kind of physical assault, yellow is fraud, dark-cyan is any form of harassment and green is any kind of illegal threats.


you are once again citing data that goes from 2005 to 2014 and thus does not cover the most interesting years. immigration numbers from outside the EU were generally low across europe during this timeframe, only starting to go up meaningfully in 2014, and reaching record heights in late 2015. they also dont include the 90s, where non-EU-immigration numbers were quite high as well.


edit: and I'll say it once again: constant crime rates are not what one would expect from an aging population if everything was "normal".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 26 2017 03:33pm
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panic

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depends on if the uptick turns out to be noise or a trend reversal.
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