Quote (tric-isHUGE @ Jul 19 2017 07:30pm)
You're such a fucking snake in the grass.
The free market is putting a price on my head in the same way an oil change gets done: Pay someone top dollar to do it for you or pay $15 and do it yourself.
The fact that you would look at the health care industry today and call it a "free market" shows just how dishonest you really are.
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The entire industry of insurance is based on protecting the individual in the event of a catastrophe. At no point has Trump or anyone taken into consideration that insurance covers and pays for statistical certitudes, completely VOIDING the entire purpose of insurance.
Lefties like Ink don't give two shits about painting the real picture. They just want you to know something is wrong and they have some non-answer. Ink is trying to lure you off into the woods with some candy, if the healthcare industry is not operating in the same fashion you get a quote for auto body repair then we are DOING IT WRONG.
You want the BEST, SMARTEST DOCTOR with the FEWEST administrators. there are millions of jobs in the U.S. that do NOTHING in Healthcare industry but push paper. You want to know why your broken middle finger costs $1,000 to fix? It's because some douche makes enough money calling your 24/7 demanding even a fraction of that money to be profitable!
Your friendly neighborhood doctor is nothing but! He's just a necessary tool being pushed in front of you like an agent would push a young starlet in front of producers.
1. Physician, heal thyself? This is your proposal for healthcare?
2. Free market mechanisms always exist, even under authoritarianism. I thought you were a fan of the Austrian school? You're trying to force an anti-leftist narrative while ignoring what I'm saying. Read and understand: Governments can kill supply but they cannot squash demand. Because there will always be demand for health services, the market will always be trying to adjust to demand and price those services. What we are encountering now is a free market adjustment of premium prices to account for a government and corporate health insurance oligarchy's collaborative restriction of supply while demand for services increases. It's no different from the pricing mechanism of black markets adjusting to providing illegal products to the market. The invisible hand is invisible, but always present. So for you to argue with me about the free market while I am literally saying something that agrees completely with free market economic theory is just silly. You just want to attack me. And there's no need for that. We're not on opposing sides here. The fascists and corporate oligarchs are the common enemy.
3. In your version of a free market system, what prevents the oil changers from collusion such as price fixing and agreeing not to sell oil to the public outside of their change stations? Eventually they will make it difficult enough to gain access to oil that any black market will be more expensive than simply going to a change station. So the invisible hand would decide in favor of collusion in this case because money flows toward convenience. Regulations should exist with the intent of preventing monopolies and oligarchies from distorting prices through anti-competitive collusion. Instead, we have regulations which force oligarchs to maximize profits by law (for-profit corporations in the United States are legally required to maximize shareholder profits), which requires collusion and price fixing. So that's what we get. And it's also what we'd get in absence of any laws.
4. This is no different from the leftist opinion. The middlemen are parasites distorting prices and increasing human suffering. Where we differ is scale: the left believes that all citizens should be represented by a single entity with power to collectively bargain prices with medical providers to prevent collusion from distorting prices too high. The right believes that, in absence of regulation, medical providers will become benevolent and charitable toward the public of their own accord, only extracting a small amount of profit from the market.
Our common enemy is the radical center. They are responsible for the collusive forces that have created health oligarchies and swarming masses of profiteering middlemen.
This post was edited by inkanddagger on Jul 20 2017 04:06pm