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Jul 17 2017 01:52pm
Sure hope Idris Elba isn't ever picked. A black Bond would be a travesty... just imagine a white John Shaft or Blade; just thinking about it makes me cringe.

I'd be ok if they killed/retired Bond and made a new character that would become the new 007 (in the same fashion the R replaced Q, or the Ms are replaced), and have him be black, a woman, a homosexual or whatever social group the film industry wants to promote at any given time. But James Bond was clearly described by Flemming as white plenty of times in his novels. And not just in the novels... him suddenly turning black would completely contradict many scenes and dialogues of the previous Bond films.
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Jul 17 2017 05:42pm
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Sure hope Idris Elba isn't ever picked. A black Bond would be a travesty... just imagine a white John Shaft or Blade; just thinking about it makes me cringe.

I'd be ok if they killed/retired Bond and made a new character that would become the new 007 (in the same fashion the R replaced Q, or the Ms are replaced), and have him be black, a woman, a homosexual or whatever social group the film industry wants to promote at any given time. But James Bond was clearly described by Flemming as white plenty of times in his novels. And not just in the novels... him suddenly turning black would completely contradict many scenes and dialogues of the previous Bond films.


Pretty sure they already set up in continuity that 007 and James Bond are both code names taken on. Like if you are given tbe 007 you are also given the name of Bond.

But in a way I agree with you, they have been changing a lot of traditionally white characters into coloured people recently for no other reason than to have a coloured person and it is getting annoying. Also it is extremely hypocritical, imagine if they did the reverse to a traditionally black character? I mean people already get fucking pissed when they white wash asian remakes, and I mean white washing in thkse cases actually makes sense, you are adapting the product for a western audience so I mean obviously.

People are just so annoying and stupid.
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Pretty sure they already set up in continuity that 007 and James Bond are both code names taken on. Like if you are given tbe 007 you are also given the name of Bond.


I used to think they were code names, but Goldeneye makes it clear that they are not. 006's name, Alec Trevelyan, is his real name and also the name he uses as an agent before going MIA.

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But in a way I agree with you, they have been changing a lot of traditionally white characters into coloured people recently for no other reason than to have a coloured person and it is getting annoying. Also it is extremely hypocritical, imagine if they did the reverse to a traditionally black character? I mean people already get fucking pissed when they white wash asian remakes, and I mean white washing in thkse cases actually makes sense, you are adapting the product for a western audience so I mean obviously.

People are just so annoying and stupid.


I agree. And yeah, that's why I used Blade and John Shaft as examples. They should always be black... it would piss me off if they suddenly picked a white actor to portray these characters. Imagine a new A-Team movie with a white B. A. Baracus... fuck that.

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I used to think they were code names, but Goldeneye makes it clear that they are not. 006's name, Alec Trevelyan, is his real name and also the name he uses as an agent before going MIA.



I agree. And yeah, that's why I used Blade and John Shaft as examples. They should always be black... it would piss me off if they suddenly picked a white actor to portray these characters. Imagine a new A-Team movie with a white B. A. Baracus... fuck that.


I'm pretty sure in one of the craig films they say the Bond+007 pair specifically are code names.

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I'm pretty sure in one of the craig films they say the Bond+007 pair specifically are code names.


This.

Not all 00s are specific things, but 007 is always some crazy bad ass orphan who assumes the identity of James Bond as there is nothing to trace him to any other identity.

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Jul 18 2017 01:48am
Doesn't Bond go to his parents gravestones in skyfall?

They're called Bond too.
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Doesn't Bond go to his parents gravestones in skyfall?

They're called Bond too.


Think the current bond has gone away from that, but it still wouldn't be difficult for them to cast a black guy and make that canon. I don't give a shit what color bond is, all that matters is that the actor captures the essence of the character. It's not exactly a difficult character to capture. British, suave, Handsome, don't give a fuck about anyone, and be able to appear dangerous when needed. Elba would be able to pull that off I think, but I don't want anyone else but Craig for now. As I've said many times before, he's my favorite, and I love the direction this newer bond has gone. I hope the next installment is on par with skyfall and casino royale
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Jul 19 2017 05:37am
Daniel Craig is the best Bond
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Jul 19 2017 08:46am
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Daniel Craig is the best Bond


Sean Connery.
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