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Jun 16 2017 01:42pm
i know, most of you have probably never heard of him, but it's a pretty big deal here: the chancellor who reunited germany and was a driving force laying the groundwork for a united europe died today...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/world/europe/helmut-kohl-german-chancellor-dead.html
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Jun 16 2017 01:46pm
I remember seeing him on tv when I was a kid, back when there was still quite some anti-German sentiment alive (luckily most of that has passed now). Mostly remember that he went down in some scandals.

How do people in Germany feel about him in general?
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Jun 16 2017 01:58pm
He deserved it.
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Jun 16 2017 02:01pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 16 2017 07:58pm)
He deserved it.


This meme is getting stale and musty.
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Jun 16 2017 02:06pm
RIP. Definitely one of Europe's most important leaders of the 20th century.

Correct me if I'm wrong, my german friends, but isn't his main stain him clenching to power for too long and not stepping down when he was past it? In any case it's obviously not something that should overshadow his many years of success as the chancellor of Germany and the father of the united state.
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Jun 16 2017 02:07pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 16 2017 02:01pm)
This meme is getting stale and musty.


So is Helmut Kohl
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Jun 16 2017 02:08pm
Quote (balrog66 @ 16 Jun 2017 20:46)
I remember seeing him on tv when I was a kid, back when there was still quite some anti-German sentiment alive (luckily most of that has passed now). Mostly remember that he went down in some scandals.

How do people in Germany feel about him in general?


well obviously i can't speak for every german, but my impression is that he's generally highly regarded as an outstanding politician and that his legacy won't be tarnished too significantly by the scandal (he refused to identify anonymous donors regarding illegal party financing).
that doesn't mean i'm trying to make it sound like it wasn't a big deal. it certainly was, and although some people even praised him for his "loyalty", he was clearly wrong there - and it effectively ended his political career. considering he wasn't chancellor anymore at that time, however, it really pales in comparison to his outstanding accomplishments. so very generally speaking i would say he's still regarded mainly positively...
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Jun 16 2017 02:16pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 16 2017 03:01pm)
This meme is getting stale and musty.


No, it was just about right on this one.
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Jun 16 2017 02:17pm
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well obviously i can't speak for every german, but my impression is that he's generally highly regarded as an outstanding politician and that his legacy won't be tarnished too significantly by the scandal (he refused to identify anonymous donors regarding illegal party financing).
that doesn't mean i'm trying to make it sound like it wasn't a big deal. it certainly was, and although some people even praised him for his "loyalty", he was clearly wrong there - and it effectively ended his political career. considering he wasn't chancellor anymore at that time, however, it really pales in comparison to his outstanding accomplishments. so very generally speaking i would say he's still regarded mainly positively...


He is a legend. Together with Adenauer and Erhard.
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Jun 16 2017 02:19pm
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This meme is getting stale and musty.


Like ur mom lol
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