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Jun 13 2017 08:57am
interesting article on the topic here
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/03/science/doctor-s-world-a-question-of-ethics-should-alcoholics-get-transplanted-livers.html

i'm of the opinion that self destructive decisions have consequences and you should be considered very low priority for a new liver if you destroy the one you had already with excessive drinking

where do our resident pardians stand on the matter?
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Jun 13 2017 09:00am
As long as we are in a shortage of organs, then it's a no.

Unfortunately we have to have a utilitarian perspective in times of shortages.



If we had excess livers then yes.
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Jun 13 2017 09:01am
do they deserve one? no

should they get one if everything involved leads them to one? depends on the individual circumstance
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Jun 13 2017 10:07am
Alcoholism is often a symptom of mental illness. Is it fair to blame those afflicted for seeking solace in the easiest available escape? Especially in a country where being poor and mentally ill means you are unlikely to receive quality treatment?
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Jun 13 2017 10:14am
Quote (Scaly @ Jun 13 2017 11:07am)
Alcoholism is often a symptom of mental illness. Is it fair to blame those afflicted for seeking solace in the easiest available escape? Especially in a country where being poor and mentally ill means you are unlikely to receive quality treatment?


It's not that simple though, there's a scarcity of livers and the person who is most likely to live a fulfilling life with the liver is the one who should get it.

That's ultimately is what will lead to the most benefit which is what option should be taken.
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Jun 13 2017 10:22am
Quote (Scaly @ Jun 13 2017 11:07am)
Alcoholism is often a symptom of mental illness. Is it fair to blame those afflicted for seeking solace in the easiest available escape? Especially in a country where being poor and mentally ill means you are unlikely to receive quality treatment?


a mental illness would be more reason not to waste scarce resources on an attempt at rehabilitating what may already be a lost cause
it isn't necessarily about fairness but a question of what good a liver would do for such a person compared to the good it would do for someone more suited to be a productive member of society
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Jun 13 2017 10:31am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 13 Jun 2017 17:00)
As long as we are in a shortage of organs, then it's a no.

Unfortunately we have to have a utilitarian perspective in times of shortages.

If we had excess livers then yes.


fully agreed, self destructive people shouldnt get to live at the cost of someone else

why is that even a debate
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Jun 13 2017 10:37am
Quote (sir_lance_bb @ 13 Jun 2017 16:14)
It's not that simple though, there's a scarcity of livers and the person who is most likely to live a fulfilling life with the liver is the one who should get it.

That's ultimately is what will lead to the most benefit which is what option should be taken.


Wow. So now we're judging people as having less right to live because they're mentally ill?

That's fucked dude.
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Jun 13 2017 10:45am
Quote (Scaly @ Jun 13 2017 11:37am)
Wow. So now we're judging people as having less right to live because they're mentally ill?

That's fucked dude.


what's wrong with choosing who to help based on their value to society?

as an example if a brain surgeon and a gender studies major both needed heart transplants, would you not agree that the brain surgeon ought to get priority?
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Jun 13 2017 10:47am
Someone who has actively drinking will not get a liver, period

Most transplant surgeon require 5-10 years of sobriety which I think is reasonable

Given that the majority of liver transplants occur due to alcoholic disease, fatty liver disease, hepatic c...I think the notion in question is unreasonable.

Is drinking worse than a lifestyle of fattty foods or previous IV drugs?
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