Quote (TheGlobalElite @ Jun 19 2017 08:02am)

I mean when it comes to pvp/competitive video games, d2 was and is bad compared to real "pvp" games that are made for that purpose.

d2 pvp was enjoyable because of community rules and stuff, but it wasnt a great pvp game itself.

d2 was made for pvm and poe is made for pvm too

dno if I expose my point clearly :/

Quote (TheGlobalElite @ Jun 19 2017 04:41am)

yeah I enjoyed pvp d2 aswell, was just trying to say that poe pvp is "bad" but so was d2 pvp, from a "purist" point of view.

english isnt my native language so ehhh hard to be clear :D

Quote (Dude012 @ 20 Jun 2017 21:00)

I don't think it's safe to say D2 PvP was bad but I'm going to have to agree with GlobalElite here. D2 just happened to have decent PvP, luckily. It's not like they designed anything whatsoever when it comes to fighting other players. You just hit a button turning Friendly Fire on and you fought anywhere out of town... :mellow:

Quote (Meatstick @ Jun 20 2017 10:09pm)

Well they had the systems in place and it was great. Anyone who says D2 PvP wasn't great was either just shit at it, never experienced it in its prime, or is a bitch

Quote (Dude012 @ Jun 20 2017 06:00pm)

I don't think it's safe to say D2 PvP was bad but I'm going to have to agree with GlobalElite here. D2 just happened to have decent PvP, luckily. It's not like they designed anything whatsoever when it comes to fighting other players. You just hit a button turning Friendly Fire on and you fought anywhere out of town... :mellow:

Quote (JohnMiller92 @ 21 Jun 2017 07:20)

luckily?

d2 had great pvp because the devs actually had a decent balance between items and skills. that wasn't luck, that's hard work and was intentional

it took them a while in the beginning, but i think it's very fair to say they ironed most out

Quote (pypyjyys @ Jun 21 2017 05:50am)

"balanced" :rofl:

why did the community have to make rules for it then?

Hdin, necro and dudu were miles above anything else. Literally 3 viable builds (okay mby perfectly geared bowazons as well).
After community made rules to cap sorb/max res sosos and trapsins became viable

rest were mostly just niche builds V/Ts, ghosts, bvcs and what not
not to mention 99% of builds revolved around enigma and the few that didnt, used bugged mechanics like desynch+wsg

D2 pvp was awesome but it was far from balanced

e/ fuck now i want to play d2 again

Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Jun 15 2017 09:51pm)

If POE had their instances just like D2 did, it could work.

Examples that differentiated D2 to create awesome PvP:

----Rogue Encampment -> Blood Moor right outside

----Engima

How POE fucked it all up:

----Lightning Warp / Mirror Arrow slow ass cool down. No such thing as teleporting

----Sarn Arena is shit (players spawn in their own little safe spaces)

GGG just said fuck it all for PvP

Quote (Dude012 @ Jun 21 2017 06:45pm)

Thx that pretty much sum'd it up.
Also if you look at Path of Diablo, there's a reason why they changed Enigma.

I mean I'm not bashing at D2 but you can't give them any credit for "hard work" lol. The PvP in the game is literally how I and pyyjypjyyspyyysysyppysys said. You click a button, you go out of town, and you do just like in PvM.
Also, you can't really do shit vs many of the popular builds if you're not that very counter-build.