still valid or debunked?

Not sure which one specifically, but the idea is still legit. We skyrocketed the temperature compared to normal fluctuations.

i'm trying to find a means to convince a russian co-worker of mine that climate change is real and was considering using the original hockey stick graph but i've yet to find a conservative news source (how my colleague remains informed) that doesn't criticize these graphs and i don't have the expertise to judge if these criticisms have any merit

This post was edited by duffman316 on Jun 11 2017 02:23pm

You need to establish with him first what constitutes evidence, then go from there and find sources you both agree are unbiased. You won't find conservatives sources that don't criticize climate change easily. They're basically all bought off and funded by the Kochs or similar groups. Glenn Beck gets millions every year to keep running his failing network from them, so does Limbaugh and Levine.

As of 2014 many sources were finding that it seems to be true/valid.

They keep collecting data.

This post was edited by Ep0ch on Jun 11 2017 06:40pm

hello can you expand?

I'm 1) too lazy to google it myself
2) want to verify your validity with whatever sources you provide.

I mean theres like a mountain of data to go through, some is contradictory, mostly conflicting with other regions, which may only suggests that perhaps certain regions have warming periods while others do not.

https://climateaudit.files.%2A%2A%2A/2010/02/mbh99_milankovitch.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph



The real informative data is only just being obtained these last few years, so we will have a clearer picture soon, but so far, evidence seem to support it.

This post was edited by Ep0ch on Jul 19 2017 08:42am