Quote (fender @ 9 Jun 2017 23:43)
funniest thing i read was "die eiernde lady" (spiegel i think)...
i do think sometimes that she sees herself as thatcher reborn
Quote (fender @ 9 Jun 2017 23:39)
i think a solid deal in our interest still DOES have to send a signal that the many advantages you have being a member come at a price, and that leaving the EU is not a decision you should take lightly, depending on how fed up you are with a specific current problem, assuming you could always get special conditions (or even an easy way back in) as long as you're big enough - we obviously SHOULD be interested in keeping this political union stable. of course that should not mean that we impose additional and uncalled for punishment and sanctions - again, it's a fine line to navigate.
could you provide some quotes of "leading EU people" that clearly crossed that line? i'm asking because without any actual proof of that, it just comes across as simple anti-EU rhetoric, something you haven't been a stranger to in the past but i don't want to outright dismiss it since i could very well imagine there would be such people within the EU - there are farages everywhere obviously. i'm just wondering if those are really as important and influential regarding these negotiations as you seem to assume...
my google skills are letting me down right now, everything is flooded with recent news, but politicians like juncker and EU parliament members (who had a pretty clear vote in favour of a tough stance) have made such comments in the direction "they will regret this", all my bias against these bureaucrats put aside for once
not that i blame them, the brexit shock has made quite a few guys shitting their pants in brussels
others speak out against it, i guess it depends on who comes out on top here
"it's a fine line to navigate."
thats a really good way to phrase it, the EU cant afford to look weak if they want to keep things together
and while i reject the bureaucracy monster in brussels i agree that you cant just leave the union, but keep all the benefits
some named numbers are ridiculous, but the uk does indeed owe some serious money, when it comes to pensions for former employees for example
on the other hand i see no way that the special interest groups will let their EU puppets ruin their business and profits
i still have a feeling by the way that a turning away from brexit is still possible, EU related votings have an interesting history