In either case (reality or the supposed hypothetical) the travel ban does nothing to make us safer. The national security experts were correct, the travel ban does more harm than good

It would be rather foolish for the "listed countries" to actually do anything nasty during the 90 days.
If they DID do something...then the travel ban would be proven to be a good idea, which would be a BAD thing for the "listed countries", from their viewpoint.

Point is... what did or did not happen concerning the travel ban...proves nothing...one way or the other.

There weren't any attacks from the listed countries the prior 40 years to the 90 period either. Then you get into the blowback of the travel ban itself where the pentagon and the State Department advises the administration to remove Iraq from the listed countries for the sake of the mission against ISIS, which just farther demonstrates how this policy wasn't being done under the advice of anyone in national security, but a commission conducted by Rudy Giuliani as a workaround to implementing the Muslim ban. People in our own national security, as well as people in foreign national security were advising against the travel ban from the beginning. We were the only country practicing the ban NOT because of differing intel from our allies, but because of the desire of the Trump administration to implement something that resembled their original campaign proposal of banning Muslims form entering the country.

There's just no information to support the notion that the travel ban was a good idea. To the contrary, the information overwhelmingly suggest that the travel ban was the wrong course of action.

This post was edited by TCassa89 on May 8 2017 09:42pm

Here's the deal.

The Islamic countries have a religion that states that anyone who is not of their religion, should die.
That's fine with me. They can just stay where they are and believe w/e they want.

Letting folks like that into the U.S. is just plain stupid.

Now if these Islamic folk want to get off their asses and take care of their own countries issues first....AND come up with a belief system that doesn't require that anyone of a different belief system should die...
Then by all means...hand out the visas.

Until that happens, they should just stay where they are.

Inb4... "they all aren't that way".

they all aren't that way

Yeah, one can only hope.
Ppl have a hard time getting past religion. I don't expect Muslims would be any better at it, than anyone else.

well actually, he specifically promised his voters to ban MUSLIM immigration. because of this thing he considers irrelevant, called the constitution, he was never even close to fulfilling this promise so his flunkies tried to disguise it as a temporary ban on terror prone nations. interestingly that did NOT include those countries the president had business ties with, honi soit qui mal y pense...

interesting approach though. so imagine he had promised to... let's say jail his political opponent - should he have tried to deliver on that as well? oh right, he actually promised that - so his voters should be terribly disappointed they don't live in that kind of a dictatorship yet.

and if he had promised to jail all mexicans and jews immediately, also something that's OBVIOUSLY in conflict with the constitution, should he have delivered? do you really think that in terms of a president's duties, delivering on ridiculous campaign promises is more important than upholding the constitution?

Well again, in over 40 years time no one from any of the 7 listed countries have committed a terrorist attack in the US. There are individuals who have committed terrorist attacks from other Islamic countries in that time, but the Trump travel ban ineptly doesn't include a single country that has been the source of a terrorist attack in the US.

As for this notion that there is a supposed commandment in Islam to kill people for not being Muslim, no such verse exists. The closest thing to such a commandment anywhere in the Quran is chapter 9, which states to kill the "idolaters" but is also specific to a broken treaty with the pagan tribes in Mecca.

This post was edited by TCassa89 on May 9 2017 03:13am

well, we have had the discussion about judicial overreach and when a judge and close friend to obama from hawaii is blocking something from trump....i am not so sure if this is really about the law
the political battle in america has gone way beyond laws and has become a situation where people abuse their powers to push a political agenda

be it trump, whose very first travel ban at least was against the law and poorly implemented
be it local officials who refuse federal orders to deport illegals or judges that block things they dont like

i wonder if the involved people really plan to make this a permanent state



too many facts for a guy who cant even read the quran

This post was edited by ampoo on May 9 2017 04:47am

The orlando nightclub attack was done by a 2nd generation afghan immigrant, the san bernadino attacks by a 2nd generation pakistani immigrant and 1st generation pakistani immigrant, the ohio state attacker was a somali refugee, the st cloud attacker was somali born in kenya, there was another attack in 2006 by an iranian at the university of north carolina. At least 24 refugees and immigrants from those countries have been charged with terrorism offenses in the past 16 years



Your interpretation of Islam is irrelevant. Their interpretation of Islam is whats at issue.

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 9 2017 04:41am