d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate >
Poll > France Presidential Elections Final Round V2 > The French Election And Europe's Future
1236Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
  Guests cannot view or vote in polls. Please register or login.
Member
Posts: 66,065
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
May 7 2017 04:37am
Final Round

(Google translate)

Any spam/irrelevant flame will be reported to the d2jsp new born great again police (v2)


#EUROPE

The president of the National Front (FN) Marine Le Pen wants to negotiate in Brussels the exit of the euro and the Schengen area. At the end of the negotiations, a referendum on membership of the European Union would be held. It also calls for the abolition of the posted workers directive and rejects the EU-Canada free trade agreement between the EU and CETA.

Emmanuel Macron proposes the launching of democratic conventions throughout the European Union after the German elections in the autumn of 2017. This will lead to a project adopted by all the countries wishing to do so. It advocates for the euro area its own budget, a Parliament and a Minister of Finance. It also wishes to limit the authorized length of stay of a posted worker to one year. And he defends the CETA treaty.

#IMMIGRATION

Marine Le Pen intends to reduce immigration to an annual balance of 10,000 people. It would restrict the conditions of asylum, harden family reunification and make it impossible to regularize foreigners in an illegal situation. It provides for the automatic expulsion of foreign criminals and offenders. It would eliminate the right of the soil for the acquisition of French nationality, eliminate state medical aid and impose a two-year period of regular presence so that a foreigner can see his care reimbursed. She would banish sailing and burkini from public space, unlike Emmanuel Macron. The latter promises to review asylum applications in less than six months, including remedies.

#SOCIAL

Marine Le Pen wants to restore retirement at age 60 and abolish the Labor law, unlike his opponent. The two candidates retain a statutory working time of 35 hours and reinstate the exemption of social contributions over overtime. Marine Le Pen would also exempt them from taxes. It allows an extension of the negotiated working time at the branch level, while Emmanuel Macron also foresees it at company level.

Emmanuel Macron foresees the unification of pension systems and the transition from unemployment insurance and vocational training (currently managed by the social partners) to the state. An unemployed person refusing two "decent" job offers would see his allowances suspended, and a system of bonus-malus on fixed-term contracts would be imposed on companies. Emmanuel Macron would abolish 120,000 positions of public servants, sparing the hospital, and creating 10,000 police positions and 4 to 5,000 teachers.

Marine Le Pen wants more staff in the service of the state and hospitals, and less of the local communities. With 21,000 hires in the police and customs.

# TAXATION

Emmanuel Macron would cut health and unemployment premiums (wages and employers), by increasing the GSC by 1.7 percentage points (except for the unemployed and small pensioners).

Marine Le Pen would tax 35% of the products of companies relocating their factories, and penalize the hiring of foreign employees. It would reduce the income tax by 10% on the three lowest tranches. It would cancel the introduction of the levy at the source, scheduled in 2018, while Emmanuel Macron would experience the measure for one year.

The latter wants to exempt 80% of households from the housing tax within three years and would transform the Wealth Solidarity Tax (ISF) into a "tax on real estate" which would therefore be exempt from the financial assets. Marine Le Pen would not pay this tax.

# ENERGY AND AGRICULTURE

Emmanuel Macron would reduce the share of nuclear energy to 50% of energy production by 2025, while Marine Le Pen defends nuclear power.

She would lower the VAT on French livestock while Emmanuel Macron is committed to add, for the farmers, no French standard to European standards.

# EDUCATION AND FAMILY

Marine Le Pen would eliminate the single college and the reform of school rhythms, and would impose the wearing of the uniform in school. It would also replace homosexual marriage by a civil union and reserve PMA (Medically Assisted Procreation) to sterile couples, while Emmanuel Macron would open it to all women.

Emmanuel Macron would give autonomy to schools to recruit, promote priority education zones through bonuses to teachers and smaller classes, and prohibit mobile phones in schools.

#INSTITUTIONS

Emmanuel Macron would require elected officials to have a clean criminal record and limit the number of successive terms to three.

Marine Le Pen would convene a referendum to include "national preference" in the Constitution. It would introduce proportional representation with a majority bonus, a reform to which Emmanuel Macron is not opposed.





----------------------------



About macro offshore account:

http://observers.france24.com/en/20170505-france-elections-macron-lepen-offshore-bahamas-debunked

Check out if the website above is true or not, if you got arguments ^^



------------------

participating rate at 12h00 (7 hours left)



-------------------

The french feminists made some actions today...
"le pen in power / elected == marianne (symbole of france) 's despair"

i edited the picture because tits arent allowed in usa (sharia law)


This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 7 2017 05:06am
Member
Posts: 28,848
Joined: Mar 8 2010
Gold: 2,570.91
May 7 2017 06:22am
To excellence, since I can't reply in the locked thread:

Quote
europeans cared alot about the American election for whatever reason


And I find it just as silly for the most part. Unless you really believed Trump was going to push "the button" or something like that 3 days after entering office.

I personally didn't really care about the outcome. The only issues that really affected me were the TTIP and climate change, and Trump for me Trump was on the good side on the former but the bad one on the latter, while with Hillary it was the other way around.
Member
Posts: 53,359
Joined: Jan 20 2009
Gold: 4,383.11
May 7 2017 07:28am
hoping for a le pen miracle tonight, but its far more unlikely than trump or brexit

things are going to get ugly in france anyway, when the globalist and elitist banker macron will dismantle the social state to make way for his agenda
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 285.00
May 7 2017 08:18am
Quote (ampoo @ May 7 2017 08:28am)
hoping for a le pen miracle tonight, but its far more unlikely than trump or brexit

things are going to get ugly in france anyway, when the globalist and elitist banker macron will dismantle the social state to make way for his agenda


Better than bringing back Vichy France imo.
Member
Posts: 66,065
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
May 7 2017 08:20am
Quote (ampoo @ 7 May 2017 14:28)
hoping for a le pen miracle tonight, but its far more unlikely than trump or brexit
things are going to get ugly in france anyway, when the globalist and elitist banker macron will dismantle the social state to make way for his agenda


Im sure you will love it...

"War of Algeria: the dagger of Le Pen."

http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2012/03/16/le-grand-blond-au-poignard_1669337_3212.html



a nice family
http://i.f1g.fr/media/ext/805x453_crop/www.lefigaro.fr/medias/2007/11/22/9099b70c-98dc-11dc-b0c3-43fb948f58ee.jpg



Quote
It is a copy of the Hitler Youth Knife.
The difference it makes on the ALN badge in a green and white diamond
Sheath identical to that of Hitler Youth

http://i46.tinypic.com/14lobpz.jpg

Quote
On the morning of March 3, 1957, 12-year-old Mohamed Cherif Moulay discovers a dagger in the corridor of the family home in the Casbah of Algiers. Attached to a belt of khaki color, the weapon lies in a dark recess. It is an oversight of the French parachutists who subjected the previous night his father to "the question". Ahmed Moulay, 42, was tortured with water and electricity, in the presence of his six children and his wife, before being finished with a burst of submachine guns. The executioner has the commissures of the lips cut with a knife. An army statement will announce that he was shot while trying to escape. When he finds this dagger, Mohamed Cherif Moulay hides it in the cupboard of the electric meter of the entrance.
The paratroopers return twice, the following days, sack the house. For nothing. The child is silent. Rania Moulay goes to the police station to file a complaint. He is told: "Your husband died during a settlement of accounts between fellaghas." Learning the episode, a white father, Father Nicolas, is indignant and intervenes. The gendarmes finally open an investigation. "So that they were forced to admit that it was not fellaghas but French soldiers who had killed my father, I gave them the khaki linen belt, but not the dagger that I removed from the belt And retained, "remembers Mohamed Cherif Moulay, now 67 years old. The investigation will never succeed.
The dagger lands in the dining-room of the Moulay. He remained there until April 2003, when the World Special Envoy in Algiers managed to bring him back to France. This exhibit will be presented to the 17th Chamber at the defamation trial brought by Jean-Marie Le Pen against Le Monde on 15 May.
In hardened steel, 25 centimeters long and 2.5 centimeters wide, it is a knife of the type used by the Hitler Youth, made by German knives of the Ruhr, according to the survey conducted by The journalist Sorj Chalandon. The blade is named after J.A. Henckels, manufacturer in Solingen. The handle, partly covered with black bakelite, is inlaid with a diamond whose crest fell in the 1970s, due to being manipulated by the Moulay children. On the scabbard of this dagger, one reads: J. M. Le Pen, 1st REP.




This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 7 2017 08:20am
Member
Posts: 6,907
Joined: Jan 28 2013
Gold: 0.00
May 7 2017 08:59am
Stop flooding the forum with the same topic and same polls all the time FFS.

Oh and btw, the last poll ended in 16 votes for Le Pen and 12 votes for Merk... I mean Macron.


Saucisson6000




This post was edited by Golden_Order on May 7 2017 09:01am
Member
Posts: 4,783
Joined: Jul 6 2012
Gold: 68.99
Warn: 10%
May 7 2017 10:24am
Quote (ampoo @ May 7 2017 04:28pm)
when the globalist and elitist banker macron will dismantle the social state to make way for his agenda

implying that globalism and elitism isn't a good thing

The French bureaucracy is bloated and its' labour market suffers from huge structural problems. These are problems that need to be fixed.

What's his agenda, apart from a functioning state with a healthy economy?

This post was edited by Gastly on May 7 2017 10:26am
Member
Posts: 65,046
Joined: Jul 7 2008
Gold: Locked
May 7 2017 10:45am
I voted 4 times.
Member
Posts: 66,065
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
May 7 2017 12:04pm
Result:

Alot people didnt voted, but Macron still get 65,5 %*

*lowest participation rate since 1969 (75%)

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 7 2017 12:08pm
Member
Posts: 53,359
Joined: Jan 20 2009
Gold: 4,383.11
May 7 2017 12:19pm
macron wins with ~65% and the participation is reported as the worst since 1969
as expected, many people unhappy with the candidates didnt show up in the first place

the leftist media is celebrating with ridiculous emotionalism already :lol:

let the chaos begin then, parliament elections up next, that could be fun ^^

Quote (Gastly @ 7 May 2017 18:24)
implying that globalism and elitism isn't a good thing

The French bureaucracy is bloated and its' labour market suffers from huge structural problems. These are problems that need to be fixed.

What's his agenda, apart from a functioning state with a healthy economy?


the state of western countries clearly shows us that they are not, but i agree on the rest you said though, france needs reforms
but not from this guy, there was an interview in german tv where macron said that he admires the reforms that were horrendous for our welfare state and put millions of people into low wage, temporary jobs, for maximum profit of course
macron will be happy to provide the same for his banker friends
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
1236Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll