Quote (BardOfXiix @ May 7 2017 11:30pm)

You're mistaken, she was one of the first people to push the idea in the states.



Alternatively, we could attempt to fix the reason so many people need healthcare, which is that medical expenses are stupidly high in this country. My last doctor's visit took about 15 minutes of a nurse practitioner saying "Yeah, that's probably a concussion. Yeah, you have micro-tears in your back. Here are painkillers you didn't ask for, that'll be $150." And that's with good insurance.

Instead of charging people $500 for an hour with the doctor and thinking we need insurance to cover it, maybe we should ask ourselves why an hour with a doctor costs $500.

Quote (AspenSniper @ May 9 2017 09:35am)

Australia has a significantly smaller poor population, as do Nordic countries, as does Canada. They're also far more homogeneous culturally and racially and religiously. This all helps immensely. The Hispanic and black population in America represents a large portion of the poor and a large portion of the population utilizing hospital services rather than primary care or outpatient care, particularly for treatment much more easily provided and less expensively provided in an outpatient setting.

Point being, it works better for other countries than the USA. Though I still support Obamacare for the most part.