Quote (Tjo @ 25 Apr 2017 23:30)
No it will be like any other arab country, corrupt, constricted, and poorly run by extremists. The whole world is in a state of moral decay but we here in the west are not so far off that our societies are dysfunctional to such an extent as theirs. You cannot say that the population is not subject to moral decay when the state is basically a den of thieves. You cannot build a strong nation with an immoral people, that is why im trying to say. I would encourage you to travel to Israel, and visit the arabic parts as well, and then compare. Don't listen to the jewish-liberal-right media nor the leftist-pro-palestine, nor the antisemitic-nationalist view, make up your own view. Go there, be totally unbiased, compare the people, listen to the people, both normal, secular and religious, and then ask yourself the question; "If I was God, to whom would I give this land to, Israelis or Palestinians?"
It doesn't make you lesser people. But you have to be pragmatic, you must be able to measure human suffering and consider the results of what a palestinian state would be. If your morality is based on reducing human suffering as much as possible, which I think is the best standard for morality, then if you could measure human suffering in units, you would have way more units of suffering if you gave the land to the palestinians. I am angry at Israel for what they do, and they commit mistakes and they do wrong sometimes. But they treat palestinians waaaay better than the palestinians treat jews and would treat jews if they possessed the land. If there was in the power of the palestinians, it would mean the slaughter of the entire jewish people, try to understand that. Let us criticize Israel when they do wrong, and for what they do wrong. But let us never forget how much worse the situation would be if the situation was different, and the israelis were in the palestinian position. The loss of human life and the amount of suffering would be far greater.
Hmm.. sorry for being a bit short here. You created a diarrhea of assumptions and ... "If I was God, to whom would I give this land to, Israelis or Palestinians?" .. seriously ?
As I've said after the Holocaust we agreed on not doing that ever again. I know it's difficult for a theocratic nation to see all of its citizens as equal. But that's what is needed to go for a future.
The problem here is though, equality comes from both sides. One has to take the first step.. Usually that's the one in power and coincidentally, it's the best way to fight terrorism.