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Apr 23 2017 10:20pm
DEFENCE Bvb's......they are supposed to be the best bvbs, but i find myself getting beaten by twitchswordback bvb's. My defence Bvb has roughly 10200 defense (lvl 24 BO) (using pavise) when dueling, and i seem to get hit as much as the twitchthroe baba despite having much more defence than him. My damage is 606-956 using battlehammer and my health is 4234. my barb is lvl 91 ...

1) The question is...would I be more better off using a grim shield to add ~1000 defence, but sacrifice 4% block? or should i stick with my pavise? or should i just use twitchthroe and swordback because it seems much better in every way?

2) Another question, how come people dont use stone of jordans on a defence bvb? when u have enough attack rating, should +1 skill, 1-12 light dmg be useful? +1 skill adds iron skin defence, attack rating and damage from BOTH weapon mastery and whirlwind skill, so why do people use min/max , str, dex, life rings instead of the SOJ?

3) How would a rattlecage+pavise bvb with a naga do in a BVB duel? Are they viable? Is it worth the defence loss to get an extra 25% crushing blow?

4) When should i use cold damage in BvB? Doesn't it make the opponent WW slower, so you take more damage? Should I only use it on a Range 3 weapon? or also a Range 1 weapon?

5) I have 2 Executioner swords. Which is better (on a defence BVB)??
first One:
-66-112 damage, +2 barbarian skill sword, adds 135 attack rating, +36 life, socketted SAPPHIRE, red colour.
second one:
-68-134 damage :), 1-2 fire damage, 1-8 light damage, adds 324 attack rating, socketted amethyst, black colour


FEEL FREE TO DISCUSS...i need as much help as possible :)))

This post was edited by benzter on Apr 23 2017 10:36pm
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Apr 23 2017 10:28pm
I would go with option B
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Apr 24 2017 03:17am
1. pavise > grim
2. i always use 2 angelics
3. i prefer ornate
4. i wouldnt use cold damage at all (personal preference)
5. i would test it out seems close

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Apr 24 2017 08:17am
soj barb <3
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Apr 25 2017 05:24am
Quote (benzter @ Apr 24 2017 05:20am)
DEFENCE Bvb's......they are supposed to be the best bvbs, but i find myself getting beaten by twitchswordback bvb's. My defence Bvb has roughly 10200 defense (lvl 24 BO) (using pavise) when dueling, and i seem to get hit as much as the twitchthroe baba despite having much more defence than him. My damage is 606-956 using battlehammer and my health is 4234. my barb is lvl 91 ...

1) The question is...would I be more better off using a grim shield to add ~1000 defence, but sacrifice 4% block? or should i stick with my pavise? or should i just use twitchthroe and swordback because it seems much better in every way?

2) Another question, how come people dont use stone of jordans on a defence bvb? when u have enough attack rating, should +1 skill, 1-12 light dmg be useful? +1 skill adds iron skin defence, attack rating and damage from BOTH weapon mastery and whirlwind skill, so why do people use min/max , str, dex, life rings instead of the SOJ?

3) How would a rattlecage+pavise bvb with a naga do in a BVB duel? Are they viable? Is it worth the defence loss to get an extra 25% crushing blow?

4) When should i use cold damage in BvB? Doesn't it make the opponent WW slower, so you take more damage? Should I only use it on a Range 3 weapon? or also a Range 1 weapon?

5) I have 2 Executioner swords. Which is better (on a defence BVB)??
first One:
-66-112 damage, +2 barbarian skill sword, adds 135 attack rating, +36 life, socketted SAPPHIRE, red colour.
second one:
-68-134 damage :), 1-2 fire damage, 1-8 light damage, adds 324 attack rating, socketted amethyst, black colour


FEEL FREE TO DISCUSS...i need as much help as possible :)))


Twitch swordback barbs best way to beat them is to use it yourself unless u have really good gear then pavise ornate is still fine.

Sojs are useless on bvb, Ar is a must....

Naga barbs are decent but only if u can range well, same as exec barbs...

u seem unsure about how to use bvb, i would suggest starting with a battlehammer barb to learn the art of bvb...

Cold dmg is good only if your opponent has a range 3 weapon with cold dmg, such as exec and naga, use it vs them regardless what type u are :)


Swordback and Twitch barbs mixed with some poison damage is effective, but that's really just for public games.........


Like i said start with a BH barb first, Also bh is best barb to use combo with Twitch/SB

Angelic rings and Amulet
Pavise 15x+ 30/20
Bh 17x+ with +skills
Goblins
Ornate decent one with str life 88x def
Grimhelm with atleast 24x def, life ofc sock pa or pr
Belt high def str life
Gloves str and high def.

Then same barb can switch to Swordback and Twitch...

Swordback
Twitch
Bloodfist - u don't need def items if u are using swordback so bloodfist provides nice life and min dmg etc, always helpful


Rattlecage is better being used if your 2 handed really, it's effective with cold dmg thou.


if u do wanna go with Exec, use cold dmg vs barbs who don't have high range and cold dmg.

Anyway good luck.
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Apr 25 2017 11:53pm
Quote (benzter @ 24 Apr 2017 05:20)
DEFENCE Bvb's......they are supposed to be the best bvbs, but i find myself getting beaten by twitchswordback bvb's. My defence Bvb has roughly 10200 defense (lvl 24 BO) (using pavise) when dueling, and i seem to get hit as much as the twitchthroe baba despite having much more defence than him. My damage is 606-956 using battlehammer and my health is 4234. my barb is lvl 91 ...

1) The question is...would I be more better off using a grim shield to add ~1000 defence, but sacrifice 4% block? or should i stick with my pavise? or should i just use twitchthroe and swordback because it seems much better in every way?

2) Another question, how come people dont use stone of jordans on a defence bvb? when u have enough attack rating, should +1 skill, 1-12 light dmg be useful? +1 skill adds iron skin defence, attack rating and damage from BOTH weapon mastery and whirlwind skill, so why do people use min/max , str, dex, life rings instead of the SOJ?

3) How would a rattlecage+pavise bvb with a naga do in a BVB duel? Are they viable? Is it worth the defence loss to get an extra 25% crushing blow?

4) When should i use cold damage in BvB? Doesn't it make the opponent WW slower, so you take more damage? Should I only use it on a Range 3 weapon? or also a Range 1 weapon?

5) I have 2 Executioner swords. Which is better (on a defence BVB)??
first One:
-66-112 damage, +2 barbarian skill sword, adds 135 attack rating, +36 life, socketted SAPPHIRE, red colour.
second one:
-68-134 damage :), 1-2 fire damage, 1-8 light damage, adds 324 attack rating, socketted amethyst, black colour


FEEL FREE TO DISCUSS...i need as much help as possible :)))



u need more then 10K Ar to hit SB barb often cuz he got max block, so angelic (amu+2 rings) is needed.
u should test cleg gloves vs sb barbs.
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Apr 26 2017 08:04am
Quote (KaterMikesch @ Apr 26 2017 03:53pm)
u need more then 10K Ar to hit SB barb often cuz he got max block, so angelic (amu+2 rings) is needed.
u should test cleg gloves vs sb barbs.


so AR works on opponent block, not defence?
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Apr 26 2017 10:26am
Thanks for all the replies. I am also interested in the Clegger bvb.
I know clegs are usually full vita builds, but i also heard that adding strength to clegaw bvb ~300 str and rest vita can also be viable.

The question is.... for defence bvb's/ cleggers, does adding str to add damage prove more effective than the full vita build. E.g. 250 str defence bvb vs 170 str bvb,..... or 300 str clegger vs full vita clegger........since crushing blow already cuts down life fast?
Thanksss :))

Oh....and i also traded that +2 babar sword for a nice +2 hammer with 104-165 damage, 295 AR, 2 str :DD

This post was edited by benzter on Apr 26 2017 10:31am
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Apr 26 2017 10:56am
dont make cleg bvb :lol:
i tested it and its ...not worth talking
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Apr 27 2017 12:17am
Quote (reptiloid @ 26 Apr 2017 15:04)
so AR works on opponent block, not defence?



xd no, but more ar = more hits
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