Anyone else feel like this is the EPA lately?

I dunno.... While I understand over regulation is a rampant problem, I don't see this as such. Essentially they were given a standard to meet, and if they designed the truck to only meet that standard for the testing purposes, and knew that the truck didn't meet said standards while under real world conditions - that's on them, just like VAG...

Play stupid games; Win stupid prizes.

As someone who lives on about 20% of the world's fresh water, I honestly like the EPA. The Trump cuts have already promised to take a over fifty million dollars away from the Great Lakes Initiative - in order to boost his military/defense spending.

I agree completely. being raised in the sticks and now living in the 3rd biggest city in the country I can relate to what the EPA is going for to an extent. I do however think they get a little trigger happy.

Definitely. Especially since cars aren't even close to being the greatest contributors of harmful emissions. But I suppose that isn't reason enough to not attempt to be as clean as we can.

I think of emissions/global warming/climate change like I do composites - we don't have to save 1 pound all in one place. You just need to save 1 oz in 16 places.


The best argument I have ever heard for pushing towards sustainable, renewable, energies was simply this: Commodity vs. Technology

Oil, gas, and fossil fuels are commodities. The longer we use them, the deeper we drill, the more difficult they are to procure - and subsequently the more expensive they become.

Solar, wind, hydro and other renewable energies are a technology: the longer we use and develop these systems....the CHEAPER they become.

The current issue with those systems, is retrofitting them to an antiquated grid system. But that's a topic for another discussion.

*steps down from hippie liberal soapbox*

This post was edited by OldAndyAndTheSea on Apr 4 2017 12:07pm

Bingo!

However, keep in mind the EPA is a business and businesses need to make money. I truly think that they've found a cash cow and are just going to milk it dry at this point.

Preach it Andy

fuck the epa and their diesel emissions




This post was edited by JDH on Apr 4 2017 03:12pm

Gliders are getting awfully damn expensive.

Seen a flat top pete with a 500 cat go for 163k the other day....

my buddy that owns a transport company just bought another 389 pete, not sure what specifications but it was 180 grand.

we got an 03 t600 with a 6nz thats just waiting for the truck to fall apart around. too bad kw builds damned good trucks because i think the body and chassis are going to outlast the motor lol