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Mar 29 2017 12:56am
Been trying to gear a llder should I be mfing in norm nm or hell? Also what zone thanks guys! Lvl 30 gear

This post was edited by Eric_McC on Mar 29 2017 12:56am
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Depends on what you want to find?

if using a low level character to mf, then you will need low level mf items, the best setup is:

Gull Dagger [100% mf] ... for a barb, 2 of these are better.
Angelic Armor, Amulet and 2 times rings = 100% mf [50% per ring]
Tarn Helm = 50% mf maximum, only used at level 15 +
Chance Gloves = 40% mf maximum, again used at level 15+

The above either has 290% magic find percent or 390 percent for barb character at level 15.

Now... if you are wanting to mf LLD items, then you are better to mf in Normal Difficulty. Now, if
you are wanting to find maximum socket-able items which are low level, then you remove all magic find and kill in hell difficulty.

You can also choose to do Nightmare for the increase chance of finding items based on more monster spawns and mini bosses.
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Mar 29 2017 03:47am
item drops are not determined by char level. as usual, izparagonzi pulling information out of his ass
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Mar 29 2017 05:30am
Quote (Worrywart @ Mar 29 2017 10:47pm)
item drops are not determined by char level. as usual, izparagonzi pulling information out of his ass


Once again, you worry too much without thinking for yourself.

The item level is capped when killing monsters.
The item level when buying or gambling is based on character level, example, level 90 character buys item level 96 in normal, nightmare or hell difficulty and gambles item level 90 items. This does not change the mlvl/ilvl/clvl of the item that finally drops when killing etc.

If worry wants to explain more, you can not find a 4 socket crystal sword in normal difficulty even if you are level 1 or level 99.

If this has changed, then maybe worrywart should provide more substantial proof.

EDIT: If you are after better chances in finding LLD gear, you are better off mf'ing in normal difficulty.

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Quote (izParagonzi @ Mar 29 2017 01:30pm)

EDIT: If you are after better chances in finding LLD gear, you are better off mf'ing in normal difficulty.


But not with a lvl15 barb when you can have a lvl90 sorc with double dream, that is immortal in normal, have fast teleport and instakill everything in normal just teleporting around.

That is what worrywart was pointing.
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Mar 29 2017 05:44am
Quote (izParagonzi @ Mar 29 2017 12:30pm)

EDIT: If you are after better chances in finding LLD gear, you are better off mf'ing in normal difficulty.


If you are mfing lvl18 lld stuff yes. If you are mfing level 30 lld stuff you should be in nightmare.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Mar 29 2017 03:37am)
Depends on what you want to find?

if using a low level character to mf, then you will need low level mf items, the best setup is:

Gull Dagger [100% mf] ... for a barb, 2 of these are better.
Angelic Armor, Amulet and 2 times rings = 100% mf [50% per ring]
Tarn Helm = 50% mf maximum, only used at level 15 +
Chance Gloves = 40% mf maximum, again used at level 15+

The above either has 290% magic find percent or 390 percent for barb character at level 15.

Now... if you are wanting to mf LLD items, then you are better to mf in Normal Difficulty. Now, if
you are wanting to find maximum socket-able items which are low level, then you remove all magic find and kill in hell difficulty.

You can also choose to do Nightmare for the increase chance of finding items based on more monster spawns and mini bosses.


almost none of this is good information.

use a dual dream sorc with frozen orb in nightmare. infinity on merc. win.

kill every notable boss in every act with about as much MF as u can stack without greatly reducing your FCR.

no one, i repeat, no one, uses a gambler and mfer hybrid. no one. everyone has a gamble char for 18 item and a gamble char for 30 items and they mf separately.


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Now... if you are wanting to mf LLD items, then you are better to mf in Normal Difficulty.


that ilvl range is only good for 9-18 items

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if you are wanting to find maximum socket-able items which are low level, then you remove all magic find and kill in hell difficulty.


maximum socket items spawn starting nm act 1, and hell has elite class items added in, making the drop chances worse. this would only potentially be true for T6 automod items. NM with 0% mf is still best to drop lld socketables.

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You can also choose to do Nightmare for the increase chance of finding items based on more monster spawns and mini bosses.


# of monsters is a perk, but the real reason is between act1 nm and act 5 nm you get all of the ilvl ranges for 18-49 items to drop. nm is simply better if your focus isn't vlld.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 29 2017 03:12pm)
maximum socket items spawn starting nm act 1, and hell has elite class items added in, making the drop chances worse. this would only potentially be true for T6 automod items. NM with 0% mf is still best to drop lld socketables.

You would have to larzuk or cube these ilvl 41+ items though since in nm they can't always spawn with max, you also wouldn't be able to cube superior items if you wanted less than max but higher than 4, for example a 15/3 5 socket Naga

Quote (izParagonzi @ Mar 29 2017 09:30am)
The item level when buying or gambling is based on character level, example, level 90 character buys item level 96 in normal, nightmare or hell difficulty and gambles item level 90 items. This does not change the mlvl/ilvl/clvl of the item that finally drops when killing etc.

No this is wrong, when shopping ilvl = clvl +5, when gambling the ilvl is clvl -5 +rnd(10)

But in normal there are max ilvl caps:

Act 1 : 12
Act 2 : 20
Act 3 : 28
Act 4 : 36
Act 5 : 45

If you want to know exactly where to target then you have to take the time to understand item generation, I wrote a bit about it here http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=73617378&f=143&p=497448674 There are also plenty more resources about it on this site and others if you research it. Act 1 - Act 5 nm is a pretty good blanket run, it should cover most items.

This post was edited by Marieusz on Mar 29 2017 03:02pm
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Mar 30 2017 12:50am
Alternatively, start a company in real life. Make it moderately successful and profitable and then assign yourself approximately $500,000 USD in dividends annually.

With this kind of income, you can easily spend a few thousand real dollars on fg and use it to purchase lld items. The ratio of time vs. real money is far superior to time vs. finding a gg lld item, and as an added bonus, you can avoid the general unpleasantness of people fighting each other on your thread.

Conclusion: MF the global market with a lvl 99 tax accountant.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Mar 29 2017 07:30am)
Once again, you worry too much without thinking for yourself.

The item level is capped when killing monsters.
The item level when buying or gambling is based on character level, example, level 90 character buys item level 96 in normal, nightmare or hell difficulty and gambles item level 90 items. This does not change the mlvl/ilvl/clvl of the item that finally drops when killing etc.

If worry wants to explain more, you can not find a 4 socket crystal sword in normal difficulty even if you are level 1 or level 99.

If this has changed, then maybe worrywart should provide more substantial proof.

EDIT: If you are after better chances in finding LLD gear, you are better off mf'ing in normal difficulty.


So you're suggesting he use a 290% mf low level char to....gamble?

Your position is indefensible. Just give up.
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