Quote (Gastly @ Mar 26 2017 09:40pm)
That is because the question is a foolish one as it entirely misses the point of the theistic answer.
The usual form of the theistic premise in arguments like this is "whatever comes into being must have a cause for its' existence" or "whatever begins to exist must have a cause" or something of the like. Usually such arguments seek to point out to the necessity of an uncreated creator.
That would mean that the counter-argument of "what created the uncreated creator?" fails as they'd suppose that the posited creator-being would have come into being, or that it'd have begun to exist - both of which would make the creator a contingent and thus a non-necessary being.
If the creator-being is shown to be necessary and necessarily uncreated then to ask of its' origins is to ask meaningless question.
Ok. I agree with the bolded part, but I interpret it as meaning that a creator-being is a paradox with the knowledge we currently have.
If, through whatever means, we find out who/what created the universe, this information will be completely pointless if we cannot also prove that this creator is uncreated. Since science nor philosophy have even come close to ever assessing this property about anything, I'm not holding my breath for that. It
may happen, but it is completely foolish for anyone to claim that they already know this about whoever they believe to be the creator.
Hence, back to why I dislike theists: They simply
state that the universe's creator is a god who is uncreated. And through stating this assumption, they deny the possibility that it is incorrect.
This post was edited by Leevee on Mar 26 2017 02:09pm