Use whatever word you'd like to in place of "evil". Perhaps "cruel" would work better.

This country also qualifies as cruel but the magnitude is not comparable. If you disagree I'd advise Googling a bit on Russia's human rights violations. Wikipedia is obviously not the best start but there's a page that's at least a decent start as long as you pay attention to and vet the sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia

This post was edited by Voyaging on Mar 15 2017 07:39pm

Russia's government, yes, all governments are evil.

Russian people? No, but they are assholes.

dropping bombs from robots that mostly hit civilians and slaughtering women and children and labeling that slaughter as acceptable seems like some pretty massive human rights violations to me

Yes they are, and again I have not claimed they are not.

I'm not a patriotic person so to me when people start talking about other countries being evil it's like watching a neighbor that chokes his wife demonize our other neighbor that punches his.

I'd say the US has been somewhat cruel in order to extend their reach, Russia went further, with a significant more cruel approach. Turkey is going there right now following Russia's steps.
and 50% of the rest of the world (or more) has similar cruel power struggles.
I can morn about 1 civil aircraft (Mh17), that's an incident, in a much larger scale of cruel forces at play in order to take control over land around the world.
Again, democracies need to work together to deescalate the world.

This post was edited by Knaapie on Mar 15 2017 07:48pm

It's more like watching a neighbor that killed his wife demonizing the other neighbor that tortured and killed hundreds of people. They're both evil but one is more.



There are other countries that are equally or more cruel e.g. Turkey, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, the difference is that Russia is now in the discussion for most powerful country in the world and that combination of cruelty mixed with power is what makes them the most dangerous.

Perhaps. But we shouldnt use them as a distraction for the rest of what is happening in the world. I get your point and I'll support actions against Russia whenever they cross a line.
As my expectations pre Trump, while we are climbing out of the recession, investments in the military is rising. (a popular sector to cut, in order to reach the max 3% deficit asked by the EU).

The power of the collective will be rising, if the EU stays together and can become more decisive in the future.
With the power balance at this time, I'm not afraid for any actual opposition. The focus should be: climate change.
And a more global approach to peace, more supportive of countries in need of a way to preserve their existence. (More focused towards food and water)

This post was edited by Knaapie on Mar 15 2017 08:09pm

You make some very bold claims while talking out of your ass. I doubt you've ever been outside North America let alone ever reach the shores of Russia.

I support a stronger relationship with Russia. The way to influence a country is by breaking bread with them and having economic/social/political ties with them not to shun them.