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Mar 15 2017 06:26pm
Nah I think they are cool
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Mar 15 2017 06:55pm
Evil is a smallminded abstraction
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Mar 15 2017 06:57pm
For those who haven't read 1984 i would strongly recommend it. For those who have Russia is our equivalent of 'Eastasia' or 'Oceania'. The thing is to justify our behemoth military spending and hegemony around the world there must be some enemy to get the domestic populace approval (and to overlook actual threats to democracy like the oligarchy we currently have) and even some of the foreign powers to accept our global dominion. Russia fits the role like a hand fits a glove. They are defiant, assertive and flex their military often enough for us to drum up enough fear that the military and honestly our whole global clout can be easily justified. For awhile it was Iraq then Al-Qaeda then ISIS, probably North Korea in the near future, and always the "Eastasia" & "Oceania" aka Russia, Iran & China.

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Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.
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Mar 15 2017 07:01pm
good luck finding a power that doesn't meddle in affairs and elections of others in one way or another

but also

fuck Russia
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Mar 15 2017 07:19pm
Russia is a beastly nation
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Mar 15 2017 07:28pm
The Russian government is extremely evil, and Putin is the most dangerous man on the planet, exceeding even Erdoğan, Jong-un, and Assad. Russia is by extension the most dangerous country in the world (filled with millions of human rights violations and its government guilty of committing mass terror attacks on its own people in order to manipulate the public into supporting the massacre of civilians in Chechnya).

If reality was a movie, the Russian government would be the bad guys and Putin would be the supervillain. Anyone who supports Russia or suggests a diplomatic relationship with them is either ignorant or evil and anti-American (such as Trump, who happens to be all of the above).

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Mar 15 2017 07:31pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 15 2017 06:28pm)
The Russian government is extremely evil, and Putin is the most dangerous man on the planet, exceeding even Erdoğan, Jong-un, and Assad. Russia is by extension the most dangerous country in the world (filled with millions of human rights violations and its government guilty of committing mass terror attacks on its own people in order to manipulate the public into supporting massacre of civilians in Chechnya).

If reality was a movie, the Russian government would be the bad guys and Putin would be the supervillain. Anyone who supports Russia or suggests a diplomatic relationship with them is either ignorant or evil and anti-American (such as Trump, who happens to be all of the above).


that's a bit dramatic
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Mar 15 2017 07:32pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 15 2017 08:28pm)
The Russian government is extremely evil, and Putin is the most dangerous man on the planet, exceeding even Erdoğan, Jong-un, and Assad. Russia is by extension the most dangerous country in the world (filled with millions of human rights violations and its government guilty of committing mass terror attacks on its own people in order to manipulate the public into supporting massacre of civilians in Chechnya).

If reality was a movie, the Russian government would be the bad guys and Putin would be the supervillain. Anyone who supports Russia or suggests a diplomatic relationship with them is either ignorant or evil and anti-American (such as Trump, who happens to be all of the above).


Wait, doesn't the USA kill untold thousands in furtherance of its hegemonic agenda?
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Mar 15 2017 07:33pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Mar 15 2017 08:31pm)
that's a bit dramatic


That's fine, but it's also accurate. For most, the "ignorant" part is what applies, as this thread can attest.

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Wait, doesn't the USA kill untold thousands in furtherance of its hegemonic agenda?


The U.S. is far from innocent but they aren't even in the same league as Russia.

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That's fine, but it's also accurate. For most, the "ignorant" part is what applies, as this thread can attest.


I'm not a Russia fan and I don't label anything as evil but if they are evil as you say I have no clue how this country wouldn't qualify as well
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