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Mar 15 2017 12:17pm
Quote (JEB90 @ Mar 15 2017 11:39am)
It's better to keep quiet and be presumed an idiot that to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.


this is the kind of nuclear missiles you had in the 50's

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Mar 15 2017 12:49pm
We shouldn't have dropped nukes on Japan as a threat to the USSR during WWII. We should have maintained our alliance with the USSR and the world would be so much more secure and prosperous today. No cold war. No containment. The vast majority of dictatorships we've installed and civil wars we've caused were Cold War containment policies. The United States is the true Evil Empire.
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Mar 15 2017 12:55pm
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this is the kind of nuclear missiles you had in the 50's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qeX98tAS8




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe

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We shouldn't have dropped nukes on Japan as a threat to the USSR during WWII. We should have maintained our alliance with the USSR and the world would be so much more secure and prosperous today. No cold war. No containment. The vast majority of dictatorships we've installed and civil wars we've caused were Cold War containment policies. The United States is the true Evil Empire.


That's an interesting take on history. Although i'm all for US and Russia being friends i'm pretty sure we dropped the nukes because to comb thru Japan with ground forces would of resulted in an exponential number of casualties considering even the civilians would of fought us with their bushido mindset.

If we didn't get a foothold in western Europe halting the spread of Communism i suspect much of western Europe would of been Red. I mean look at east Germany and how long it took them to come around, can you imagine if the rest of Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy were also red?

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Mar 15 2017 01:54pm
Dont worry in few time everybody will have the fire power of destroying everybody...
And about Russia "wa rmongering" the OP should proceed a search on the "russian explicit expansion campaigns during last centuries"...

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That's an interesting take on history. Although i'm all for US and Russia being friendsi'm pretty sure we dropped the nukes because to comb thru Japan with ground forces would of resulted in an exponential number of casualties considering even the civilians would of fought us with their bushido mindset.

If we didn't get a foothold in western Europe halting the spread of Communism i suspect much of western Europe would of been Red. I mean look at east Germany and how long it took them to come around, can you imagine if the rest of Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy were also red?


This ignores the reality the main thing that kept Japan from surrendering was the fact the Soviet Union had not begun an invasion into Japan and the US demanding unconditional surrender.

Japan was more fearful of Soviet invasion more than anything else. Also many top military officials of the time were against it.

Also Japan was hesitant to surrender because of the fact they feared the Emperor would not be allowed to remain. The US wanted unconditional surrender, if they had just promised the Emperor would be allowed to remain, forcing Japan to surrender would have been much easier rather than relying on Nukes or the threat of Soviet invasion.

Eisenhower/MacArthur were both against the bomb and many other people involved in leadership in the Navy/Air Force and military.

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Mar 15 2017 04:15pm
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america wouldve been fucked. america was weak shit in the 50's russia had ICBMS so why didnt they fuckin do it?!??? now america could just fuckin destroy russia and everyone and rape and dominate the whole fuckin world. this is not good.



Old Ike probably would have a thing or two to say about that.
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Mar 15 2017 04:37pm
This coming from the same retard who thought the Iraqis could demolish the US Army.
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Quote (tman65ky @ Mar 15 2017 04:15pm)
Old Ike probably would have a thing or two to say about that.


watch the sputnik moment, he got cornered into signing some educational reformation or some bullshit cuz the idiots were demanding it cuz they were scared of the sputnik.
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This ignores the reality the main thing that kept Japan from surrendering was the fact the Soviet Union had not begun an invasion into Japan and the US demanding unconditional surrender.

Japan was more fearful of Soviet invasion more than anything else. Also many top military officials of the time were against it.

Also Japan was hesitant to surrender because of the fact they feared the Emperor would not be allowed to remain. The US wanted unconditional surrender, if they had just promised the Emperor would be allowed to remain, forcing Japan to surrender would have been much easier rather than relying on Nukes or the threat of Soviet invasion.

Eisenhower/MacArthur were both against the bomb and many other people involved in leadership in the Navy/Air Force and military.


Well like every where else in WW2, the Red Army just wouldn't have left and we would have had a Berlin Airlift scenario in Tokyo probably.

I think we nuked so that we could finish the war without having Russian boots on the ground in Japan.

After the island hopping campaign, the bloodiest fighting in any US war, it would have been crazy not to use the bomb.
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